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It's already being called iconic.


By critics, so sad, people are embarrassing.

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What else can they say and keep their job?

These people praise the Star Wars films now because they gave a stupid role to an outspoken black actor.

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It's all the media, not just black reporters. They are also calling this the first black superhero film, conveniently forgetting about Spawn and Catwoman, the first black hero films.

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praise the Star Wars films now because they gave a stupid role to an outspoken black actor

Billy Dee Williams thinks you're a bit late to that party.

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All the critics have turned SJW!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-panther-first-reactions-premiere-1079894

Jen Yamato from the Los Angeles Times was also brimming with enthusiasm about Black Panther and the wider themes it tackled such as "representation and identity." Indiewire's David Ehrlich, while deriding the action scenes, also noted the film's "actual sense" of identity and history. Slash Film's Peter Sciretta called it Marvel's "most political film." Fandango's Erik Davis said the movie was "100% African and it's dope AF." Uproxx's Mike Ryan chimed in on the political nature of the film, adding that Black Panther was a movie "with a lot to say."

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Pathetic. I wonder how all of this will be remembered.

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The first reactions are being reported as raves but they actually sound bad if you read between the lines. It sounds like they're trying to convince themselves it's good because of its message and because its a black cast.

I predict it opens big in the U.S. but then flops because of bad word of mouth, and does terrible in other countries.

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I predict it opens big in the U.S. but then flops because of bad word of mouth, and does terrible in other countries.
How'd that prediction turn out for you.

After the fact the fears and incriminations turn out to be unfounded and unwarranted. Reality prevails!

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Wow, this stupid thread is iconic, it really is! Great find, pal...

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My prediction of it not doing business after a big opening was based on it being a bad movie. Turns out its decent. Had I known that my prediction would have been different.

I was right though that it would open big and that it wouldnt do as well in foreign markets. That is because of the black population in the US and the liberal politics here compared to the rest of the word especially China.

I should have made two predictions, one if it was a bad movie and one if it was good/decent.

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I was right though that it would open big and that it wouldnt do as well in foreign markets. That is because of the black population in the US and the liberal politics here compared to the rest of the word especially China.

I should have made two predictions, one if it was a bad movie and one if it was good/decent.
The problem with your prediction was an apparent pessimism based on a premise that's not there with BP.

1.) Yes, BP did open big and it has remained big within the US.

2.) No, BP hasn't done poorly internationally. J.L. - $428 M, WW $409 M, T:R $538 M, GoTG2 -$473 M, BvS - $543 M and BP did approx the same or better than all of those movies in China, + $100 Million. Black Panther - $608 Million internationally.

3.) BP did not do as well internationally as it did domestically but that wasn't because it was poorly received. Most superhero movies for new characters don't do better internationally than they do domestically.

Liberal politics aren't even inherent or evident in the movie to be a turn off or a turn away for international audiences. This is a perpetuated mantra voiced on movie boards but not at theaters.

The more telling commentary from you is this, "It sounds like they're trying to convince themselves it's good because of its message and because its a black cast." Sounds to me like you're unwilling to accept that those seeing and reviewing the movie gave an honest review of what they saw and how they felt. You were in denial then and still in denial now. You conceded that BP is a good/decent movie but are reluctant to give BP and the audiences the benefit of the doubt.

There was no Bad Word of Mouth because they was no liberal agenda and there was no pushback of that so-called liberal agenda. Again, a liberal agenda that you project onto the movie and one that the movie has to deny for no apparent reason.

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Comic-book movies today have set the bar so low, that the audiences and critics are infantalised...

Blade was far more political, in a serious way, while being a lot more fun and thrilling... But it wasn't a kids movie...

It had a Marxian analysis of political economy, yet was still cool as it had Snipes as the lead. The fact that he was black didn't matter, it transcends race, rather it was the social and economic structure in the movie that contained the political themes... This is far more interesting, potent and universal than simple identity politics.

You can actually have a thought provoking discussion about the politics in Blade, but not so much Black Panther. The interesting aspects about Black Panther's politics is how the movie is perceived, used and discussed as an object of popular culture, rather than the themes within the movie.

I mean, the the numerous threads on this discussion board about identity politics, hardly anyone want's to discuss that in Black Panther [spoiler]wealthy Wakandan Africans have a civil war, black on black killing, partly for the sake of what would happen in the West[/spoiler] ... I mean, that's not exactly a very empowering message, but a concept worth discussing. This is just an example of what is not discussed, instead we get PR narrative of what it means to have a black big-budget comic-book movie...

Most critics have been too co-opted by the studios that they have contributed to how infantalised movie culture is now. They now are in the uneviable position of cheerleading childrens movies as politically important, because they failed to highlight more serious themes in smaller films.

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Well done Renovatio. Erudite analyses.

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Thanks 👍

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It's average as a film, but still iconic amongst the MCU films: No talks about raccoon turds, sensitive nippeles and penises or Thor crying like a girl when getting a haircut. I thought it's a marked improvment.

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It's already being called ironic.


fixed...

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Marvel fans these days..

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it's not the fans calling it that but the press, which is 10 times worse.

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