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Seriously, who gives a fuck about anybody in this???


The movie is ok, nothing special, quite boring and underwhelming.

Why is it so mediocre?

EXTREMELY UNLIKEABLE CHARACTERS. That is why.

Paul is just yet another "the one". We have seen it a million times. Only, he does not earn this status in any way, everything he does is an automatic success because...MarySue. He is as charming and likeable as Rey in SW.
Fuck him, I dd not care about him.
Chani is even worse, she just bitches and scowls like a hateful wife for 5 hours of screen time. I never saw any love in this love interest, nor sympathy nor guidance nor anything. I only got that she cares for "her people".
Fuck her, I did not care about her.
The Harkonnens, just assholes but not strong nor menacing, they actually get their asses kicked every time they fight, unless they get the Emperor's support.
The Emperor is a whimp and an oblivious moron.
His daughter, knows everything but also a puppet.
Paul's mother and father were ok, but just serving their purpose in the story, I was not pushed to care for either.
The fremens, a bunch of ignorant terrorist with a self serving agenda.
The worms, stupid and underpowered....

I cared about nobody at all is this "epic", which consequently felt flat and uninteresting.

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Nobody gives a fuck about my post either?

Oh well...

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Fuck you, I don’t care about you.





………… I kid, I kid.

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I certainly have more personality and I am more interesting than these characters.
So you can care about me.

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Of course I care about you H ; )

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That's because of my power of the Voice.

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Or is it your Gom Jabbar?

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Damn right, I don't give a fuck! Talking about you, not the movie.

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Villeneuve is not a people-person, he’s an aestheticist with little understanding or care for character. That’s why his film’s tend to be populated with unlikeable people and are ultimately boring. See his Blade Runner for another example.

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Yes, that's the gist of it.

But he could just get better writers. Or just change the kind of movies he makes, if that's his style.
You cannot just shoot Dune or BR and think that characters are not important in that kind of narrative.

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Yep.

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^^^ This.

I could never figure or why Blade Runner and Dune are unappealing to me until now. Something always felt off. You nailed it!

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Villineuve, he did Blade Runner? That explains everything ,my god, so much consistency for the bland & dull should be locked up w Donald Trump .

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You were doing so well until the end there.

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I liked the novel and thought the movie was really fine. I’m looking forward to seeing part 2.

The other novels were just not very good, I gave up on them.

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honestly i found it hard to follow.....
too many scenes taking place at too many random places.

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Certainly they did not try hard to give the sets a distinctive look.
They went for bland and minimal, it backfired.

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Paul being unlikeable is sort of inherent in the story and also plagued the David Lynch version. Similarly to Luke Skywalker, I thought he was a compelling character when first finding his way, but then once he becomes all-powerful (as he is in RETURN OF THE JEDI) he's just an arrogant prick all of a sudden. The treatment of Chani in the 2024 movie is unforgivable though. They took a supportive character and turned her into a moody and joyless pest. She was a nothing-character in the 1984 movie aside from a token love interest, but their effort to flesh her out here totally backfired to the point where I disliked her more than the actual villains of the film.

The Fremen always suffered from being the least imaginative of all Frank Herbert's creations. They're essentially just Bedouins on a desert planet resorting to terrorist tactics. I would have liked to see them being repressed in some way to make their struggle easier to support, and then to see them plan things out a little more (to compare and contrast to how things are once Paul takes charge), but the film just kinda ignores all that and goes for cheap thrills.

The Beast Rabban was supposed to be intimidating but the film made him look idiotically aggressive against helpless/friendly people and then cowardly when it came down to actually fighting opponents. Feyd seemed a lot more intriguing here than in the 84 version and actually exhibited likeable qualities like honor, but they just threw him away (as the books did).

At the end of the day, the only character I even sort-of liked was Feyd.

It all would have made for a much better miniseries, but, oh yeah, that already happened, and that version was awful due to poor casting, costuming, and set design choices coupled with a low budget.

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Gotta agree tbh, never read the books but both films are forgettable, the villains are poor and under developed, gearing up for the final battle I just didn’t care about any of the characters, contrast that to stuff like Lord of the Rings where you grow connected to the characters, these Dune films things just plod along with no structure

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Nothing DV has done since has bested Incendies (2010), imo. Not hating, but can't say you're wrong, here.

I'm sure everybody has seen the documentary Jodorowsky's Dune (2013)? Oh, what could have been...

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Yes, that could have been something awesome.
Lynch's version also shows glimpses of what a strong vision and a pair of balls can bring.

Villeneuve seems to lack personality with or against the system: he gets his scifi shots and he's happy to be subdued about everything else.
He needs to learn how to develop interesting characters and themes if he wants to stick to this kind of filmmaking.

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As much as I liked Lynch's version, imagine how much better it could have been were he just more "in to it."

Nothing has given me goosebumps like Kyle Mac's line, "Father! The sleeper...etc." And as much as I usually love Bardem, Everett McGill beats the pants off of him in the charisma dept. with his "Muad'Dib-uh."

And agreed on your points. His latest stuff feels a bit...dry? :D

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You nailed it Heisenberg! I’m with you on this one. I could’ve not said it better. I just wanna add my poor man’s two cents here.
I didn’t care for anyone either. You made all good points there. This movie doesn’t havr a soul, it’s an empty shell. They dwelved too much into Chakobsa dialect too. It’s uneeded, it’s distracting. I didn’t want to read so much subtitles, itgets annoying. I wanted Harkonenns to be cool, brutal. Vladimir was a wimp! Lynch’s version is much better. Where is Paul Verhoeven when he’s needed? They whimped out on PG-13. And enough with the constant ululation/wailing, enough! My ears were bleeding. I had to walk out after 1 hr in, couldn’t take it anymore and just finished watching it on disc, still sucks.

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