Mediocre finale?!


Am I the only one who thinks that the show ended badly?!

The last season and the last episode were particularly bad... the peggy storyline, don's breakdown and immidiate recovery through group therapy... it was all so bad... everything tied up nicely in a bow, with each character in a perminant place...

Hard to believe its the same show as the first three seasons... it nosedived at season four and never really recovered... but the show finale was very weak... excess closure?

Still probably the best TV show ever

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Yeah, I was disappointed in the ending too. I agree -- everything tied up neatly in a bow. I thought the Peggy/Stan story a little rushed but when I re-watch earlier episodes, I can kind of see how they could "suddenly" discover they loved each other.

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I liked the finale. I think the reason most people who disliked it feel that way because they were expecting some sort of big event/revelation in the finale, and it ended up being a fairly quiet episode.

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I didn't expect a big reveal, as much as I hoped that they would have left the ending more ambiguous.. If they had left us wondering a bit more about the fate of these characters...

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Though "Mad Men" showrunner Matt Weiner worked on The Sopranos in its final seasons and praised showrunner David Chase for the famous "open-ended and ambiguous" finale(Tony gets killed...or maybe doesn't)...

...I think a lot of the broadcast networks and cable networks put out the word that they didn't want that to happen again. The producers of "Lost," for instance, promised that they would give the show a proper ending and not do what The Sopranos did.

So...Matt Weiner left a FEW things open ended at the end of Mad Men, but dutifully allowed closure ("for now") to some of the stories, including happy endings("for now") for Pete and for Peggy.

In conclusively giving Betty Draper terminal cancer from her smoking habit, the series FINALLY offered consequences to a key character from the smoking that had been part of the show from the beginning. You might say that her being about to face death gave the show a certain "definite closure."

I certainly liked how, in the final five episodes or so, Don Draper kept moving West and "threw away" various expensive status aspects of his life: a million dollars to Ex Wife Number Two; selling his NYC luxury apartment; eventually giving away his cadillac. In his "vision quest" he stripped himself down to nothing just in time to find out that....his ex-wife was dying, his children were going to need him. He had to "re-invent himself" to support and help other people.

It was a bit "open ended," cutting from Don doing Yoga on the California Coast to the shots and sounds of the Coca Cola ad("I'd like to teach the world to sing")...but we could figure: that was Don's ad. He went home, he started over. He was hopefully going to be a better man.

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I think the ending was great. How would you have ended it?

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Don tries to commit suicide... At the last moment as he is faced with death has an enlightened moment realising what matters to him in life, but falls to his death nonetheless...

Peggy is crushed by this... Pete is there when she learns of this, but it is unclear what support he will be at that point of time... Fade to black...

Other minor issues to be dealt with beforehand:
- Betty doesn't get cancer at all... Is contemplating the idea of taking lovers...
- Stan and Peggy never date /fall in love as she thinks of him being a subordinate... She rejects him but is ambivalent about him as well... She still doesn't know what she wants...
- Joan is in limbo rather than heading her new business...
- Slight glimmer of hope is Sally draper... Seen studying or something...

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There was a rumor going around that Don Draper was going to get on a plane, and register under the name D.B. Cooper.

Personally, I think that would have been a fitting and awesome ending! And it'd have tied in with the falling man of the credits.

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Haha... That would have been awesome!

Although Draper was a millionaire and could have just dissapeared on his own...

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What Mad Men was good at was telling a story with a recurring story line and managed to be different even though it was the same -- each cycle of lovers, clients, agency intrigue, was the same and yet different.

The problem with ending a series like this is that it was never structured with a beginning or an end. There was just an arbitrary entry point at the beginning, so the ending has to be either an arbitrary exit or some kind of wrap-up for the viewers' sake.

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"The problem with ending a series like this is that it was never structured with a beginning or an end. There was just an arbitrary entry point at the beginning, so the ending has to be either an arbitrary exit or some kind of wrap-up for the viewers' sake."

An excellent point. Also about it telling a recurring, cyclical story line that in turn changed each time to show direction. That's the only reason I didn't get too weary with Don's endless affairs. As tiresome as it got, it did reveal a lot about Don's personal progress, lack thereof, or regression.

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I thought the show ended wonderfully. Unlike you, I didn't interpret Don's breakdown being followed by immediate recovery. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "immediate recovery."

IMO Don's story line was left open and ambiguous. He went back to the agency he'd always considered as soul-sucking, and either wrote or partially wrote that Coke ad. He didn't get out of advertising and "tune in and drop out" as you'd expect he'd have done if he'd in fact grown, as one might assume he'd do, given the Esalen-like environment he was in.

Obviously in Weiner's mind, he'd gone on to create the ad Peggy said she wanted to create, when he asked her what she most wanted to do. The problem with that is/was, not everyone interpreted that Coke ad the same way. Some saw it as a cynical expropriation and exploitation of a sub-culture. Others saw it as idealism translated into advertising, and Weiner clearly saw it as the latter.

But if it were out of idealism, or Don's version of it, it also meant he had to go back to work for an advertising agency that had a terrible reputation throughout the show, and specifically in Don's mind. So at what cost was his returning there and eventually creating this ad? What did that say, or not say?

You're not alone in objecting to Peggy's ending storyline, and I assume in particular you're talking about her relationship with Stan. There is something nice-bowish about it, I agree, but on the other hand, Peggy being who and what she was, in ways it made sense she'd have been unaware of her feelings about Stan, and ultimately -- or for a while anyway -- they did make sense. I'm torn on how it was portrayed, on one hand a bit too much stereotypical romantic comedy (I hate the term romcom, as it's condescending and dismissive of a number of fine movies, so refuse to use it), on the other it made sense.

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"Obviously in Weiner's mind, [Don had] gone on to create the ad Peggy said she wanted to create, when he asked her what she most wanted to do."

I vaguely remember the exchange here between Don and Peggy, but what exactly did Peggy say that gets to that Coke commercial?

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Roger and Marie marrying? Hardly a match made in heaven, and doomed to failure. If he'd gotten back with Mona, that would have shown growth on Roger's part, and perhaps been consistent with Mona, although she did seem to have wised up and moved past him, but that would have been too nice-bowish, so I'm good with Roger and Marie ending up together ... for the time being.

Pete and Trudy may have bothered me the most, but, they did have a kid together, and neither Pete nor Trudy were happy alone or without them being a family -- such as it was. Both were conservative, so on the other hand, perhaps them getting back together made the most sense. Would it last? Who knows.

I agree with you that, at least IMO, it's the best TV show ever made, thus far.

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I always imagined Don committing suicide by throwing himself out of the window of the building like in the credits! Weird that he didn't and he never did find Diane Bauer either...

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There was also that scene when Don was in his new office at McCann and he noticed his window wasn't sealed 100%...

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