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they where always suppose to keep the Doctor male


a black doctor was next
and the way to have a female doctor was to have a version of the doctor that was always female not adding that the doctors species could just regenerate into the opposite gender

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They should of cast Richard Ayoade from IT Crowd to play the Doctor, he's quirky and can do comedy well, he could also direct an episode too!

The regeneration gender swapping is absurd, it never once happened in the show until a few years ago.

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The regeneration gender swapping is absurd
so whats more absurd : regeneration or gender swapping?

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In Doctor Who, gender swapping, regeneration isnt absurd at all, it has been part of the show since the 1960's.

Gender swapping whilst regeneration is new to the lore and has only been in the show the last few years.

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Should "of"? SMH.

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I'd love to see this but not sure how good he is actor wise as most of the stuff he has done is comedy. 13 hasn't sold me yet because of this, when she is angry and serious I don't feel it if that makes sense

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Great call! That guy was surely born to play the part. Could have be great...

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There's no good reason why a virtually immortal alien who doesn't even need to adopt a recognisably humanoid/gallifreyan form cannot appear and behave "female" in gender.

It's commonplace for human beings to modify their gender from that recognized at birth but virtually impossible for them to change to a different race of the species.

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well said!

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It's commonplace for human beings to modify their gender from that recognized at birth

LOL. It's "commonplace" only among a very small minority of confused people living mostly in north america during the early 21st century.

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Either you're speaking from personal experience or you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

How many times are you compelled to adopt similarly ignorant attitudes about "confused" people who have had surgical procedures to change to a different race? I'll bet it's not much more than zero.

And that's because, compared with race change, gender change IS commonplace.

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It is somewhat more than zero though. Maybe not surgical procedures besides M Jackson, but there's plenty of people who pretend to be other race. For example Shaun King and Rache Dolezal. Dysphoria comes in all shapes and forms.

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Effectively zero.

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50+ years of lore is good enough reason, if it had been done since the 60's or 70s that would of been fine but after 50 years worth of Doctor Who stories its odd that gender swapping whilst regen is suddenly a thing, when it was never once mentioned before.

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Maybe it's been a long time coming because they were afraid of frightened people freaking out about it and condemning it out of fear and ignorance.

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When Romana (Mary Tamm) was choosing her next body (regeneration) one of the options was Tom Baker before settling on the form of Princess Astra (Lalla Ward). So gender swap has been around since at least the 70's.

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Ssshh wearsalan, people don't want to hear facts! What would that leave them to bitch about online?

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I was originally like this, always felt originally the doctor was a male character and so should stay a male and surely if he could change he would have done so but as people have said times change.

Something happened and i started to wonder. The show was becoming stale and needed a fresh change and theres a lot the show can do with having someone different as the doctor.

I've yet to be sold by 13 as I felt she was just playing 10 and 11 without her own spin but not sure if that is down to the writing. Series 11 was a bit too basic overall, a little dull

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There's no good reason why a virtually immortal alien who doesn't even need to adopt a recognisably humanoid/gallifreyan form cannot appear and behave "female" in gender.

Small problem: Nurse Who doesn't "behave female".

She is the usual male with boobs.

If the series was taking the body swap stuff seriously, the character would change drastically. There would be common elements, of course, but the Doctor as we know wouldn't exist anymore. Biology matters, and sex has a very strong influence in character. You can't make this kind of plot twist with woke writers that think gender is a pure social construct.

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Wrong. Sex had absolutely no influence on the character until Russell T. Davies made the Doctor all smoochy and lovelorn, until then his masculinity was not a driving force in the character at all. He traveled the universe with countless beauties and never once showed any attraction to any of them. Sometimes he'd be a senior citizen, sometimes a clownish bohemian, but he was never what people like to think of as "typically male". If anything he was more like an immortal Godlike figure, which separated him from the Captain Kirks of the genre who would basically shag anything from any planet and piled on the traditional machismo like it was in short supply. The Doctor has always been a pacifist who refused to touch guns, which would have been described as "woke" if the brainless pejorative term had been invented by boring conservatives at the time.

Maybe you can write to the BBC and float the idea of installing a kitchen sink in the TARDIS, that way we can tie the Doctor to it just to eliminate any doubt that the character is acting female enough for you.

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why couldn't we have both keep the doctor male for the fans who would hate that change and create a female doctor and a whole line of Female doctors by having multiverses I don't like all the Retcon that might happen

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until then his masculinity was not a driving force in the character at all. [...] but he was never what people like to think of as "typically male". If anything he was more like an immortal Godlike figure, which separated him from the Captain Kirks of the genre who would basically shag anything

Short answer: NOPE.

Long answer: that's one of the consequences of feminist/diversity propaganda. When you think about traits influenced by being born male, all you can think is about a guy shagging anything, and probably watching sports and being violent.

While those are male traits, those are just a small amount of all the ways biological sex influences brain. Males rarely display each and every trait associated with that gender, but they cluster around them. Doctor Who lacks the sexual drive, but in many other ways he's very typically male. He's much more interested in investigating or engaging than in establishing relationships, he's almost exclusively interested in solving problems, he loves things more than people, he's incredibly fond of his gadgets (he's more attached to his sonic screwdriver than to his companions), he sets principles above relationships, he sees commitment to other people as a annoyance, he's strongly non-conformist and subverter, he's genuinely interested in science in technology... to name a few male traits.

The Doctor has always been a pacifist who refused to touch guns, which would have been described as "woke" if the brainless pejorative term had been invented by boring conservatives at the time

Woke are no pacifists.

What they want is to control the guns. Oldest story in the book. Both US and EU deep states are fully woke. In US they're promoting anti-gun laws. In EU they're creating a new EU army under the direct control of Brussels. The common pattern is not being anti-gun, it's being the ones having the guns

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Don't burden us with your hang-ups. You don't have a fucking clue about fantastical alien species biology. Nobody gave a shit about the Doctor's "biology" or his sex and how it mattered until a woman played him. The doctor has always transcended everything that makes a human or any other alien species what it is in the show.

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You don't have a fucking clue about fantastical alien species biology. Nobody gave a shit about the Doctor's "biology" or his sex and how it mattered until a woman played him.

Well, actually, Doctor Who's biology is not that complicated. The series uses a very common trick in scifi to create intelligent alien species: they pick a subgroup of humans and model that species based in that human group. It's the same trick Star Trek used to do: Vulcans are basically humans with High Functional Autism). Doctor Who is modeled after the image of the traditional British eccentric scientist or scholar.

And as long as it stays in model, it works. That means that if you want a female Doctor Who, you need to model based in some British female scientist. Dian Fossey is American, but he could have been a good model.

You want to move far from that trick? Well, that's not easy, because scifi needs to be COHERENT. You just can't add random elements. The trick of being based in a human subgroup guarantees it's coherent, because reality is necessarily coherent. The moment you break from it, you need to build the species carefully. If you were Jack Vance, you could do it. If you're woke BBC, you'll do shit. As a logical consequence, Nurse Who became shitty scifi.

And Doctor Who wasn't shitty. Cheesy? A lot. Now... it's officially shitty.

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Yup, Quatermass and the Time Traveller from The Time Machine were two major influences for the character of Dr Who.

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Which scientist was Troughton modeled on when he was encouraged to make it his own and attempted to play it blackface and as maniacal hobo?

And Pertwee's martial artist/gearhead. Which scientific icon does his character design cohere with.

A cross between all three Marx Brothers and a hippie

A hipster cricketer

A hipster harlequin

A hipster Scots midget

etc etc

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