Was Ennis actually gay?


I'm confused: Was Ennis actually gay? After all, at one point, he says to Jack: "You made me like this." Does that mean he was never attracted to males before Jack? Or was he only "gay for Jack"?

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Your question points up the difficulty assigning "labels" to people. What is homosexual? What is heterosexual? Since Ennis and Jack are fictional characters then in reality neither is either. But based on their behavior they seem to be bisexual because each of them had sexual relations with women and men.

Virtually everyone has some "hetero" and some "homo" in their own sexuality, in certain specific situations virtually everyone could act in a homosexual manner or in a heterosexual manner, lots of factors are at play.

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"Your question points up the difficulty assigning "labels" to people. What is homosexual? What is heterosexual?...Virtually everyone has some "hetero" and some "homo" in their own sexuality"

Nonsense. Many men spend their entire lives attracted only to women, regardless of what situations they find themselves in. They are never attracted to other men. These men can accurately be labeled "heterosexual". The same is true for many men who are homosexual--they are only ever attracted to other men.

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That's not my opinion, that's a fact, whether someone likes it or not. Disagreeing with it is an opinion.

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Those were the 1960's. Perhaps no man wanted to admit that in broad daylight. How terrible that they suffered such stigma.

But if a man has sex with another man and falls in love with him....that's a sign that it is more than a bit of sport.

Ennis even threatened Jack in the same scene that Ennis never wanted to see or hear about Jack messing with another guy. So yeah, it was more than a bit of sport. Ennis then fell to his knees in remorse at all the years lost, and so on.

Then they parted and it was the last they ever saw of each other.

Whether or not one is willing to label Ennis as gay, it was certainly a man in love with another man.

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Ennis rhymes with penis. Coincidence?

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I think not. Was he gay? I felt he did find love in another man. Will he again? Only time will tell. But it could've been a once in a life time oppertunity.

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of course he was gay... a straight man doesnt just decide he'd like a bit of penis just for a change of mood... for the variety... haha

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Impossible to say. Was he bi-sexual? Maybe, but both were married to women, and on the mountain they found some pleasure with each other. I agree that labels are unfair. They were what they were.

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Both were married to women, but apparently the sex in Ennis's marriage was... unsatisfying. And he didn't look for a new wife when the marriage ended.

And he didn't look for a new man either. That was his personal tragedy, he wasn't interested enough in women be interested in marrying again, and he wouldn't let himself look for a man other than Jack.

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I think they were bisexual. Had to be.

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Why had to be? Hate to break it to you but it’s entirely possible for a gay man to be aroused by the sexual act enough to perform with a woman while still having a preference for men. I would say a large portion of men who identify as gay have had at least one encounter with a female at some point, definitely in the 1960s. Possibly less in this day and age when society has accepted homosexuality enough for a gay kid to feel comfortable enough to be true to their desires from the outset. But in the era this film was set? I would say with confidence that it would be an exception to the rule for a gay man not to have been with a woman.

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Yes he was.

It’s not uncommon for closeted gay man to feel a sense of self loathing and project that as a form of blame to the object of their affection. It’s why many will publicly abuse an openly gay man that they harbour secret desires for. Not in every situation of course, but that scene rang incredibly true to me.

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Hmmm, according to the author, no he was not gay. He felt a deep connection to Jack that he had not felt with anyone else. Had he felt it with a woman he would have been with her. But he did not fall in love or find himself attracted to other men.

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True? I didn’t know that’s how the author envisaged the character. Do you have a link to something where she talks about it, I’d find that interesting to read for sure! Not sure it would change my own interpretation of the film but I’d like to hear her thoughts on how she saw the characters she created.

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Since you don’t seem to be forthcoming with anything to back up the claim that Annie Proulx stated Ennis wasn’t gay I did my own research and it appears she is far less committed to any assessment of his sexuality than you claim:

“Excuse me, but it is not a story about “two cowboys.” It is a story about two inarticulate, confused Wyoming ranch kids in 1963 who have left home and who find themselves in a personal sexual situation they did not expect, understand nor can manage. The only work they find is herding sheep for a summer—some cowboys! Yet both are beguiled by the cowboy myth, as are most people who live in the state, and Ennis tries to be one but never gets beyond ranch-hand work; Jack settles on rodeo as an expression of the Western ideal. It more or less works for him until he becomes a tractor salesman. Their relationship endures for 20 years, never resolved, never faced up to, always haunted by fear and confusion. How different readers take the story is a reflection of their own personal values, attitudes, hang-ups. It is my feeling that a story is not finished until it is read, and that the reader finishes it through his or her life experience, prejudices, worldview and thoughts. Far from being “liberal,” Hollywood was afraid of the script as were many actors and agents. Of course, I knew the story would be seen as controversial. I doubted it would even be published and was pleased when The New Yorker very quickly accepted it. In the years since the story was published in 1997, I have received many letters from gay and straight men, not a few Wyoming-born. Some said, “You told my story,” some said “That is why I left Wyoming,” and a number, from fathers, said “Now, I understand the hell my son went through.” I still get these heartbreaking letters.”

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Forgive me for needing to get some sleep.

She appeared at Udub (University of Washington) November of last year and when asked about the sexual orientation of Ennis that is what she said. She followed that with the remark that she has had many, many fans send their own version of the story to her where is Ennis is gay and fighting it or bisexual and fighting it, finding love with other men and such and that it was not intended for him to do so. She was gracious enough to answer several more questions but then left. I don't have a link to send you as it was not recorded at this point. She is truly a lovely woman :)

As she has stated, people will interpret it all any way they see fit.

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Thanks for that and apologies for being impatient. I was interested because I agree she seems a highly intelligent, fascinating person.

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She is and I am so grateful for having had the opportunity to meet her :)

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True, you’re very lucky 👍

I was so pleased to learn in my readings that she was happy and proud of the film version of Brokeback. So often authors are disappointed when their vision is corrupted for the screen, I wanted her to love the film as much as I did.

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