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Was Michael Corleone really too cold and ruthless?


Or did he just realize early on due to his innate intelligence, that he was basically back against the wall alone from day 1?

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One thing I noticed the very first time I saw The Godfather and in Pacino's very first scene with Kay was that he hardly seemed like a sweet, innocent young man who could NEVER join his Mafia family. He had a cold calculation, even then, and clearly set out to make sure that Kay understood -- as fully as possible without tipping family secrets -- that Michael's family and workers including some very dangerous, murderous people.

It seems that on Don Vito's orders, the rest of the family was SUPPOSED to keep Michael out of the business and away from it, but Michael belonged there from the start, just awaiting the moment when fate would call him into his REAL career.

I will say this: the flashback at the end of Godfather II gives us a glimpse of a more innocent, shy Michael, whom the others sort of laugh at and Sonny slaps around(when Michael announces he has joined the Army.) Perhaps WWII toughed him up and prepared him to be ready for another kind of solider/general job..

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He was too cold and ruthless. The way he handled Mo Greene showed a man who didn't mind telling someone how it was gonna be, with no chaser or sweetener. Vito wouldn't have been that curt with Mo.

His back was against the wall, big time, with all the families coming against the Corleones. So, Mike wasn't gonna play nice, which wasn't a strength of his anyway.

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Doesn’t the steady hand igniting the lighter for Enzo the baker say just that? Plus the whole killing his brother, his brother in law, throwing his distraught and disillusioned wife out the door…

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> Was Michael Corleone really too cold and ruthless?

Too cold? Yep. By the end of GF2, he's pretty well alienated -- or in Fredo's case, killed -- everyone in his family except for his children and Mama Corleone. Vito would have never allowed that to happen to his relationships with his family. Perhaps because when he arrived in America he was all alone, a twelve year old orphan, he especially valued those relationships.

The scene in front of the hospital, where he and Enzo smoke cigarettes -- Enzo's hands shake, Michael's don't -- says something about them. Some have suggested that Michael's relative calm is due to his having been a Marine in combat during the war, so it's understandable that he'd be steady and Enzo would be nervous. But I'm not so sure of that. Enzo was a captured POW who was allowed to work in the community to help with the American war effort, which was how he met Nazorine and his daughter. So, Enzo had seen combat too. His reaction seems more realistic to me; I've never been in combat, but if I were I hope I'd stick it out and do my duty, like Enzo, not running away -- but I also think that by the battle's end I'd have done full dumps of my bladder and lower bowels.

Yeah, there's a special coldness about Michael. Even at Connie's wedding, his manner toward Kay doesn't seem all that loving; more like a brother with a normal personality would act, say, toward a friend of Connie's whom he didn't know very well -- a host being polite toward a guest.

Too ruthless? Most of his killings were justified. Sollozzo had tried to kill Vito and would surely try again. Killing McCluskey was doing the public a service, raising the community's average IQ and improving the gene pool. Killing Barzini was justified as revenge for Sonny's death, as was killing Tattaglia. But was it necessary to kill the heads of the other NYC Families? Probably not, they would have fallen into line. He really had no reason for killing Moe Greene than because he had publicly humiliated Fredo. He probably could have merely expelled Fredo from the Family instead of killing him. And finally, there's the hooker he murdered to set up Senator Geary -- a truly innocent victim. So yes, too ruthless.

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Wiping out all the other Family Heads was just fantasy. Even if practical, the authorities would have got suspicious! In the book was only Barzini.and Tattaglia - after Moe.

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People dump on Michael for being ‘too cold’, ‘ruthless’, even ‘evil’ and yet ask them what they would do in his exact situation and they’ll quickly try to shuffle out of the conversation, anything to avoid answering the question, which is very telling.

Vito was practically the same yet for some reason everyone gives him a free pass 🤷🏻‍♂️

Also, Vito didn’t have to deal with his own family turning against him as Michael did with Fredo. Context is everything.

Wanna see people dodging this issue? Check out this thread: https://moviechat.org/tt0068646/The-Godfather/5fd735eba3cf895911f93ee4/Is-Indiana-Jones-more-evil-than-Michael-Corleone

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Michael was hardly even human at the end of No2.I wouldn't have killed Carlo -as long as he toed the line with Connie. Definitely not Freddie - and I'd have been more tactful with Moe Greene.

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Come on, Carlo deserved to die. Sonny was killed because of him. Fredo on the other hand was just dumb and naïve. It also makes a difference that it's his actual blood brother.

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Both deserved to die and had to be killed to prevent them launching further attacks.

Carlo was instrumental in killing Sonny, so he had to go.

Fredo plotted to kill Michael. If someone tried to kill me and they missed, I’d kill them, family or otherwise. To give your attempted murderer a free pass is monumental weakness, it’s immoral.

Michael is a decent guy backed into a corner, and he’s no worse than Vito. People just give Vito a free pass because he’s popular and because the films ‘tell’ you to.

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Fredo didn't plan to kill Michael.

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He was involved in the attempted hit on Michael in which he and Kaye would have been riddled with bullets were it not for his split second reaction.

It’s likely that Fredo was the one who opened the curtains, given his full access.

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Fredo didn't know it would be a hit.

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The movie made it clear: he has no choice.

All his actions are the only solution for him. That is tragedy.

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