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Idiot Biden wants to send illegal cluster munitions to Ukraine


rather than to just admit it was another stupid CIA idea to have Ukraine attack Russia.
End this yet-another-American-military farce. The US thinks it can slow-escalate so that
Russia at some point will not just nuke NATO HQ, or London, or Brussels just to make a
point.

Zelensky, as I said from the beginning of this, is turning out to be the worst most hated
leader in Ukraine, and Europe - plunging the continent into war that threatens to get out
of control and that has already ruined his country and killed hundreds of thousands of
people, forced half of Ukraine to evacuate to Europe dragging down their economies
and dumping huge inflation costs and taxes on the back of US taxpayers.

Meanwhile Americans have no healthcare, are going broke, one-third of Americans
breathing dangerously polluted air, trains derailing and spewing toxic chemicals all
over the place, you can't eat the fish in most American waterways and lakes any
more.

Woke - i.e. waking up from this nightmare is not such a bad idea.

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But the US had been reluctant to provide them because of the risk they could pose to civilians, and because some key US allies, including the UK, France and Germany, are signatories to a ban on cluster munitions – weapons that scatter “bomblets” across large areas that can fail to explode on impact and can pose a long-term risk to anyone who encounters them, similar to landmines.


Idiot Biden is a idiot. He has dementia and is just doing what his masters tell him to do.

They would be better off creating a DMZ.

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I don't pretend to know anything about what's really going on here anymore. Honestly, I don't think the American Media has the first clue either. There is just so much we don't know about why America is pumping all of this money into the war.

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Its because nazi russia invaded another country and must be stopped liked hitler had to be stopped, you idiots. LOL.

How can trumpists be so stupid is beyond me. Its like did you got your your education in moms basement reading Fucker Carlson twitter and watching his program?

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STFU, disgusting little fascist.

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You are.

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Little wannabe Goebbels 😂🤣

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I hate Trump.

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Is this a trolling post? Are you a democrat making fun of crazy delusional trumpists? Its hard to tell with this site often. Everyone trolling everyone and sometimes you cant even tell at first sight.

Dude and if you are completely serious with this nonsense then I seriously recommend you to find a good therapist or psychiatrist and get professional help you obviously need. Sitting all day in trumpists echo chamber and reading obsessively russian propaganda is only gonna worsen your mental health.

Remember how republicans were laughing at some democrats who were obsessed with everything twitter and CNN were throwing at them with what Trump was doing and they got such anxiety that they screamed at the sky hysterically? Now roles reversed and its you who are screaming hysterically at the sky because for some reason you keep reading russian propaganda who exist to make you scared and feel anxious.

Somewhere in russia people sit and make salary writing it to naive and coward trumpists to make them scaref and demand USA to stop helping Ukraine.

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Nonsense

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Bulls-

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Cluster munitions are not illegal. There was a treaty to ban them BUT only 108 out of 195 countries have signed the treaty and most of those countries cannot defend themselves. Russia has been using cluster munitions against CIVILIANS in Ukraine AND Syria. Russia also started this war by taking Crimea and invading Eastern Ukraine in 2014.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/29/cluster-munition-use-russia-ukraine-war * UKRAINE *

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=IND&mtdsg_no=XXVI-6&chapter=26&clang=_en

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/07/28/russia/syria-widespread-new-cluster-munition-use *SYRIA *

Zelensky is a hero who rallied his country to protect themselves from the Russian GENOCIDE of the Ukrainian people. Putin is already a war criminal for kidnapping Ukrainian children. Putin has also said that Ukraine should not exist as a country or a culture.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/child-abductions-reveal-the-genocidal-intent-behind-putins-ukraine-invasion/

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-wants-destroy-ukraine-war-last-long-time-exiled-oligarch-1729407

Your propaganda about the US is nonsense. The US has the ACA so there are healthcare options for people in the US. Wildfires are hard to stop so that partly explains the bad air. Train derailments don't happen everywhere. The US isn't the only place in the world with polluted waterways. The world is on fire and the US is still better than most of the shithole countries on the planet.




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> The US has the ACA so there are healthcare options for people in the US.

Read about bankruptcies in the US. That's your option.

Your stuff on Ukraine and Russia is just as ridiculous. The US overthrew, with our taxpayer money, the duly elected leader of Ukraine to replace him with puppets that amped up the war against ethnic Russians in the Eastern part of the country, and shelled the Donbas.

I don't support him for President, but RFKjr. has the whole thing just about right, along with the whole assembly line of war and military.

Putin tried for years to solve the problem with Ukraine, but the US/CIA drove the same kind of thing with Georgia, almost exactly, and Russia pushed back. Russia does't unilaterally move into countries. Russia doesn't have military bases all around the world. Russia does not have a military big enough to threaten Europe or anywhere else.

Bad faith with the Minsk Agreements was also admitted to by the Western signatories.

Your pointing out American propaganda that is easily refuted by the facts. All you can do is call those who disagree with you names, or Russian agents.

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The US did not overthrow the Ukrainian government with taxpayer money. The Maidan protests were organized from within the country and the protestors wanted Ukraine to move towards the EU instead of Russia. The article below addresses the Maidan protests in point#3 of the various types of Russian propaganda.

https://voxukraine.org/en/the-corrupt-mirror-of-russian-propaganda-words-that-kill/

Putin tried for years to gain control of Ukraine by poisoning their President and shutting off their gas.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5569247/Ukraines-ex-president-recalls-poisoning-14-years-ago.html

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/heading-for-another-ukraine-russia-gas-fight/

Russia doesn't officially maintain bases all over the world but Wagner Group has bases in Africa. Wagner Group committed atrocities in Syria and Africa. Putin recently admitted that Wagner Group is an arm of the Russian mafia state.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagners-global-operations-war-oil-gold-2023-06-29/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66029382 * Wagner funded by Russian Mafia State Per Putin *

Russia violated the Minsk agreements and negotiations cannot be made when a gun is pointed at one's head. Russia invaded Ukraine and the Russians obviously never intended to settle for peace.

I am challenging all of your Russian propaganda with articles from reputable sources. You support genocide and authoritarian regimes. Slava Ukraini!

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That is the US propaganda narrative. The proof is right out there all over the internet - like the OSCE, or books written well before this current showdown.

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I don’t always agree with TrentnQuarantino he couldn’t be more right !

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All one has to do is simply line up all the pillars of the establishment narrative and look at them to see they don't make a bit of sense. The same pattern with all of our wars since Viet Nam, whip up the public with fake provocations, and you can be sure whatever big happens next in that area of the world will be the US trumping anything anyone else has to guts to do ... like the Nordstream, or the Dam, and next is the power plant which the US will mastermind and then lie about for the next 80 years.

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This ⬆️

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Viewers of this thread can decide for themselves which one of us is promoting propaganda. There is certainly plenty of information on the internet BUT one has to make sure that the information sources are reliable and reputable. A lot of people are being fooled by various types of disinformation and misinformation when they seek to avoid the so-called "mainstream media". I don't rely on social media video sites for my news information since there are many propagandists promoting fake news. I get my information from multiple news sources and organizations that have been around for decades. There are many books written by unscrupulous authors so one needs to research the credentials of the author before reading a book of lies.

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> Viewers of this thread can decide for themselves which one of us is promoting propaganda.

No, they really cannot, because there is the US narrative that has been proven to be BS this time, and a long history of BS for decades. You can't split the difference between the truth and a lie.

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The US did not overthrow the Ukrainian government with taxpayer money.

No, no, the 5 billion USD, sent their to provoke the Maidan coup, were private donations by Obama and Victoria Nuland...

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There certainly has been foreign aid and foreign direct investment into Ukraine. I'm unaware of any $5 billion payments to provoke the Maidan movement. Ukraine had a successful Orange Revolution in 2004 so they took to the streets in 2014 for the Maidan movement. I do believe the people of Ukraine had these movements to oust Yanukovich since he was a Russian puppet. He actually fled to Russia and was convicted by Ukrainian judges of treason.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/The-Maidan-protest-movement

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-ukraines-orange-revolution-shaped-twenty-first-century-geopolitics/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/ukraine-ex-president-viktor-yanukovych-found-guilty-of-treason#:~:text=A%20Ukrainian%20court%20has%20found,he%20had%20fled%20the%20country.

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He actually fled to Russia

Guess what's Zelenskyy's fate in the near future? Although I think he will not flee to Russia as he is likely a US-puppet...

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What problem with Ukraine do you claim Putin tried to solve?

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The problem of the Kiev government declaring war on the Donbas.
The problem of using Ukraine to bring NATO up to Russia's border and threaten Crimea.
The biggest problem is that the US has documents that have been outed and quotes about having the future intent of overthrowing Putin and colonizing Russia.

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Why is Ukraine keeping their own country (Donbas) under control, a reason why Russia should invade?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

Russia was not suppose to feel any pressure from anyone after they annexed Crimea?

What documents are you talking about? Got a link?

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Those "documents" exist only in his crazy head :) And they will never engage in serious conversation because they dont know what to say. They can only throw their own links and repeat what propaganda says. Happens with every single russian nazi.

All those pro-russian nazi propagandists exist in their own reality. They keep reading ruzzian propaganda who keeps dumping on then new and new crazy theories and they are being that stupid - believe every single one of them. Then make foo of themselves.

Its truly astonishing to witness English speaking pro-russian crazies on this site. Its like 6-8 of them who keep posting on Zelenskyy and Putin page. And I cant decide if they are russian bots on payrol or just local american crazy conspiracy theorists who will believe anything and anyone who will tell them : "American Government Bad".

And they will scream: "I Knew It ! Finally Proofs " then will bow to person who wrote that and believe every word they claim. Its hilarious and scary at the same time. That such crazies exist and allowed to post. And you just know that its probably stereotypical middle age fat man posting from his moms basement.

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If you have to keep your country under control by murdering people, then you don't have a country and it should be partitioned at the very least. That is what free and democratic Ukrainians voted for and Zelensky promised he would do. Instead he became the puppet of the CIA, and the real Nazis in Ukraine.

We know there were Nazi groups in Ukraine because Congress voted to not provide weapons and support to them.

Russia invaded with a police force of 100,000 soldiers finally when nothing brought Ukraine to the table and they refused to stop the war on Donbas. This was reported as Putin trying to re-establish the USSR, or Putin trying to take over Europe.

It's the US that has military bases and missiles all around Russia, whose military and budget it a small fraction of the US and NATO, but still somehow they are winning in Ukraine.

If Ukrainians could vote retroactively on this war knowing it has destroyed their country, and half their population would have to up and move to Europe or the US where no one wants them - they would, and do vote no - but no one is listening to them at this point, and most of their newspapers and media have been shut down.

This was a massive fiasco that has hurt the world - all brought about by the USA.

I am just saying what happened. You can ask questions about it like a child, or you can go out and look for information yourself. But you are just a troll supporting the American narrative which is obviously proven wrong, which is why the media has to censor people and put folks out on the internet to police what is said.

The fact is that America has no vital interest in Ukraine that we should be spending over $100 billion dollars on.

There good information here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1DDUyNUHQ8

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Tell us more about these desires of the Ukrainian people and Zelensky's promises? Got a link?

Nazi filth is rather widespread. Should we deny support to Americans because Nazi's are also thriving in the USA?

You mean Russia invaded with 100,000 soldiers so they could take over Ukraine?

Winning is now defined as Russian 350,000 deaths in a war they did not need to initiate and have not won so far?

The questions I'm asking are because you're posting outlandish claims with nothing to support them. But go ahead and ignore them by calling me childish. That makes more sense (still nearly none at all) than most of your other claims.

I think the USA is interested in seeing Russia contained in Russia.

You can't sucked me into watching an hour long video. What good information does it contain?

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https://www.rferl.org/a/zelenskiys-first-year-he-promised-sweeping-changes-how-s-he-doing-/30576329.html
Zelenskiy's First Year: He Promised Sweeping Changes. How's He Doing?

I think we all know that taking over a country of 40 million with 100K troops was never gonna happen - I suspect the plan was always to push Ukraine to re-negotiate a deal. In fact, a peace agreement was dotted down, but due to BJ's interference, wasn't signed - this happened a week or two after the invasion.

The odds are, both sides are BSing the death toll - also, the odds are, Ukraine's death toll is higher, simply because Russia has a huge advantage in terms of tech being used and shells being fired. This is particularly true now that Ukraine is attacking and Russia is defending.

USA seems to be interested in many things - at one point, Biden voiced his desire to remove Putin from power, while other high level politicians have stated that the goal is to weaken Russia (not contain it). There are all kinds of comments that you will find out there - it seems like they are changing on daily basis - all stemming from high level gov./mil. officials.

You didn't counter at least half of the points he's made - you pick and choose.

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No kidding I pick and choose. So? It seems to be just fine with TrentnQuarantino. He just makes up his "facts" anyway.

It is generally a waste of time to address his claims. I address some of this claims for the benefit of myself and others.

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Its Kyiv not Kiev, you ruzzian clown.

"How do you know a russian is lying? It opens its mouth. There you go".

You sound as reasonable as nazi Germans in 1942 who claim they started WW2 "because of reasons". Jews attacked them first and tried to remove hitler from power or some shit.

Stop embarrassing yourself, nazi.

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You sound like a bot. Or an idiot.

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Your posts appear they were written by an idiotic bot.

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+ 15 roubles, Prigozhin`s troll)

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It's a fight until the last Ukrainian. If the data is correct, that fight is nearing its end, since fighting-age Ukrainians are rapidly running out. This is why it will be imperative for Ukraine to blow up the nuclear power station, in order for the NATO to invoke the article 5 (seems like every NATO stooge has already stated that if a nuclear power plant is destroyed, NATO will move in to confront Russia directly).

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Sure Ivan. Is this what your KGB bosses tell you to spread around?

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bot responds - typical these days.

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Yeah, the KGB doesn't exit anymore anyway. A bot that needs updating.

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No shit Sherlock.

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Now it's called FSB, but despite the name change, it is the same chekist organization)

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And then you all people are offended when people laugh at you and call you Qanons loonies.

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Still trolling...

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send all the illegal aliens to Ukraine

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