https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1660330489247408128?s=20
Donald Trump's victory in the presidential elections in 2024 will mean "the end of democracy" in the USA & Israel and "the end of Ukraine", as he will take the country out of NATO, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
https://www.teletrader.com/clinton-trump-s-possible-2024-win-end-of-democracy/news/details/60036342?ts=1684704029146
Killary is afraid? That's a good sign...
shareNaw. He has Sen. Graham going onstage with him to talk him up. You know, the same Sen. Graham who keeps going over to Ukraine to suck up to Zelensky. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump did one of his famous flip-flops.
shareI dont think Ivan Trump will take USA out of NATO. But he IS a traitor and could give Alaska to russia.
But none of it matters since that traitor will not be allowed to become president of USA again. As there are many patriots among republican voters and I cant see them voting for that russian slut and coward. They will just not come to elections. And only his die hard fanatics will come and it will not be enough to overcome democrat voters.
And I dont even understand his fans. He is all talk but not get things done. He was 4 years with power and did giant nothing! He didnt fight wokeness and just let democrats have it their way. He was talking a lot but doing basically nothing. Because that who he is.
I keep hearing the same moronic argument.
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine.
This is some dodgy logic right there.
Imagine if the morons in power used the same logic for Germany, for Korea, for Vietnam, for etc?
Here is the thing - Vietnam still exists - Korea still exists (ah, 2 koreas, because the fuckers in power managed to keep the pressure long enough for), Germany still exists despite the loss, Japan still exists. Essentially, this is the dumbest argument I've heard in a very, very long time.
Its because no one occupied those countries, dummy.
There were actually Two Germanys for a very long time up until USSR started collapsing and all its "colonies" were freed. And one united Germany was back is business.
Korea is still split into 2 countries and people suffer in that crazy one.
Vietnam and Japan were never occupied.
nazi russia wants to occupy Ukraine, make it part of their batshit crazy country, force everyone to speak russian language there and put in prison and kill everyone who will not submit.
Why is it so hard to understand for dumb trumpists?
USA never intend to make Japan part of USA and force everyone to speak English there. They won over, accepted their surrender and let them be.
Vietnam was colonized - no?
The current Korea.... is insane. Plastic surgery everywhere, population is shrinking fast. Curiously enough, same can be said about Japan - the population of Japan decreased by 800 thousand people last year. While those countries remained, their roots have been destroyed by Americanization - so perhaps this actually counters my original argument.
LOL. I cant believe you typed that with serious face.
shareJapan was occupied by the Allies after WWII from 1945 to 1952. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan
Korea was ruled by Japan from 1910 to 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule
Germany was occupied by the Allies from 1945 to 1949. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule
Vietnam was most recently occupied by the French and Japanese over their long history of being conquered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam
While Russia certainly wants to make Ukraine part of their union again, claiming that these other countries were not occupied is the wrong way to argue your case.
Japan and Germany were AGGRESSORS and the ones that attacked other countries. And rightfully so were kept under control for short time after they were beaten up and lost. But no one intend to make them part of USA or other countries. After they came to their senses and stopped being threat to humanity - they were left alone
Same should probably happen with nazi russia after it will lose and world would have to think what to do with that territory and those crazy fascist people that live there and started it all.
You could have went with that instead of "they were never occupied".
shareWe were talking with that person about that fact that person claimed it rubbish to say "If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine." and claiming that no one occupied Germany and Japan after they lost (in WW2).
Their opponents never had intention to occupy those countries and make them their own. Allies and Americans never occupied them. It was in that contest.
And they are irrelevant to this situation since both were aggressors and the ones who attacked other countries and tried to occupy them.
Why is saying "if Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine" dodgy logic? When Ukraine was part of the USSR, it was "The Ukraine". The country of Ukraine is different than the state that was part of the USSR.
Do you have a problem with Ukraine not being subjected to an invasion by Russia?
Because it will still be Ukraine. Different, yes, but still Ukraine.
To counter that, you'd be better off referring to Crimea/Donbas, which are now part of Russia - and whatever cultural segments of Ukraine that might have been there, they'll be extinguished.
As I've pointed out to the now on the ignore list 'emori', I do see many traits being lost in nations which lost the war. South Korea, Japan, Germany - they've all been in many ways Americanized - and those changes haven't necessarily been for the better. They are still countries - and aside from having US military bases within their borders, are nearly sovereign nations - but something significant was lost in the process and this has been accelerating as of late.
A curious fact - regardless of whether Ukraine wins or loses, something will be lost. I see globalist movements all over the world - national and cultural identities being erased.
Do you have a problem with Ukraine not being subjected to an invasion by Russia?
shareI am against war - any war - I see war as the clearest sign that humanity hasn't yet evolved much beyond the animal instincts.
Aside from that, I see elites dividing up land, instilling in the minds of citizens that this piece of land must be protected at all costs, etc.
I think I would support a (defensive) war in the ancient times (or perhaps not that ancient), when people were massacred en masse by the invaders, raped, enslaved, etc. We've kind of moved passed that - so the wars of today appear to be driven by the bickering between the elites - and their right to control this or that land/population.
Putin went in saying that they had to protect the Russian population. That seems odd to me, because the Russian population was in danger since 2014 - the Odessa massacre was a prime example - so if he didn't try to protect them then, why now? That seems very odd to me and largely negates his stated reason for the invasion.
Aside from that, what I see is that in 2014, Russia had a puppet ruling Ukraine. That puppet was deposed by the American intelligence services (which energized a segment of the Ukrainian population to that end (a common tactic used by the US when instigating coups in other countries in the past). Essentially, Russia lost the spy game and rather than accept defeat, even if temporarily, it escalated the situation by offering (or perhaps even organizing) Donbas resistance military aid and declared Crimea as being a part of Russia.
Essentially, Ukraine was invaded (in terms of its leader) a long time ago - then it got invaded again by the US - now it is being invaded militarily. Do I have a problem with this? Yep - but I'm not sure if I support ANY invasion. Which invasion do you support?
I think I would support a war in the ancient times (or perhaps not that ancient), when people were massacred en masse by the invaders, raped, enslaved, etc.
Crimea and Donbas are Ukraine, you little nazzi. They are not "part or russia". They are temporary occupied by nazzie russia. Same way many countries and its parts were occupied by nazi Germany during WW2. Then nazies were kicked out and countries were liberated. Which will happen too when nazi russians will be kicked out eventually.
The only nice take away is that Killary is afraid of Trump's possible 2024 win. Did all the shitty impeachments and accusations, all the smear campaigns and trolling, all the censorship in social media, and all the violation of free speech not help? Oh, I am so so so very sorry... 😂🤣
shareWhy would Clinton fear Trump? In 2016 Trump made it very clear he was no longer a threat to Clinton when he folded like a lawn chair on his promise to put her in prison.
How was Trump's free speech violated? Has anyone, ever, stopped Trump from saying anything he wanted to say? Trump did tell a judge he would not threaten people, but that was a lie. https://www.thewrap.com/trump-threatens-retaliation-despite-court-order-truth-social/
Well, the U.S. was never a democracy. The founding fathers made sure of that with good reason.
Trump won't pull the U.S. out of NATO.
If Trump says military support of Ukraine will end (I need to hear it from him, not NPR), he will lost at least half the Republican vote. Most Republicans actually support Biden's support of Ukraine, even if they're not vocal about it.
Even if Trump won (long shot) and pulled support from Ukraine, the EU would simply increase support to make up the shortfall - they absolutely cannot afford to let the Russian infestation of Ukraine to continue. I have nothing against making Europe pull their weight since this affects them far more than it affects the U.S. (in the short term).
Because Trump is stupid and dictator wannabe - he really thinks he can pull something off by wishing so. Forgetting that he it not some tsar or shithole country dictator who orders everything. There is congress, senate, supreme court and many other different part of power in USA. And they all didnt let him to become dictator he wants to be so much.
Thats why he was obsessed with putin, North Korea clown and other dictators. Because dictators always gravitate towards each other. You can see it how biggest allies of russia are shithole poor countries with "presidents" who sit there for 20-40 years. Meaning there is not elections and democracy, they are usurpers and dictators. And so economy is shit and they are poor.
But USA democracy system shewed Trump and kicked him out like a foreign object. And they will do that again if he will somehow be elected again.
Funny how Putin took Crimea during Obama's presidency and attacked Ukraine during Biden's. He behaved himself when Trump was president between Obama and Biden. Joe gave Putin tacit approval in fact when he said Putin was only planning "minor incursions" - easily excused.
...and invaded Georgia when republican Bush was president....
Trump wants to convince himself that putin was respecting and afraid of him or some shit. But reality is that russians always treated Trump like their loyal lap dog. They always saw him like a traitor of America, the one who is pro-russian and would do everything to serve putin. Including giving up American interests. This is very embarrassing. And Trump humiliated Republican party and they may not recover from that.
Republicans were always viewed as Hawks. "Get shit done" men. Soldiers, men with balls. Then Trump came and destroyed that legacy in 4 years. Now Republicans are viewed as "russias little bitches" and 'traitors". russia roots like crazy for Trump and Republicans in every election now because they think that they will surreder America to them and will serve and do what russia wants. It cant get any more humiliating.
While Democrats were always viewed as hipsters, pussies, and cowards. Now Democrats found balls inside themselves and stood up to nazi russia and gave Ukraine weapons it needs to kill them and free their land.
...and invaded Georgia when republican Bush was president....
Now Republicans are viewed as "russias little bitches" and 'traitors". russia roots like crazy for Trump and Republicans in every election now because they think that they will surreder America to them and will serve and do what russia wants.
Now Democrats found balls inside themselves and stood up to nazi russia and gave Ukraine weapons it needs to kill them and free their land.
When Trump was a president, Putin did not attack Ukraine.
When Trump was president, US Air Force attacked Putin's private military company "Wagner" mercenaries in Syria.
Wheb Trump was a president overturned Obama's veto on military deliveries into Ukraine and Ukraine got anti tank missile launchers Javelin and maybe anti aircraft missile complexes like Stinger, which helped in repelling russian tank and helicopter atacks inder Kiev, Symi and Kharkov.