the next dutch pm?
prime minister geert
shareIt seems so. Hopefully he does a good job.
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Yes finally, he's been at it for a while. It sends a clear message that people want normality to reign again
shareLet’s hope so. The fact that his party won the recent election is a massive step forward - Europe is finally waking up to the Islamic menace, and the ruinous effects of uncontrolled mass immigration.
Whether the damage can be reversed is another question (not least because the deep state won’t allow it), but at least the cancer has been diagnosed.
Thank god for brave warriors like Geert, I wish him every success 🍻
I don't think that the Netherlands are controlled by a "deep state".
And even if something like a "deep state" exists, why wouldn't they allow it?
The same reason the deep state forces mass immigration into every Western nation, despite the voters consistently wanting an end to it.
And what reason is this? If voters want to drastically reduce immigration, they need to vote for parties that will lower it.
shareThe voters just did.
And I still want to know why Melton thinks that an alleged "deep state" don't allow it and "forces mass immigration".
His party did not win an overall majority.
shareWilders won the election.
And I still want to know what Melton thinks.
Do you know how European elections work in many cases?
shareNo, I don't have a clue what elections are. 🤪
Do you know what a "deep state" is?
Edit to add
I still want to know what Melton thinks. ☺
>No, I don't have a clue what elections are. 🤪
The PVV won a plurality of seats. They cannot govern alone. It is possible that Geert Wilders party could still be in opposition if other parties form a coalition.
>Do you know what a "deep state" is?
I'm not Melton.
"I'm not Melton."
Are you sure? 🙃
I still want to know what Melton thinks.
Same thing happened in Belgium a few years back when a newly formed political party, fed up with the uselessness of the party they would normally vote for, got the most amount of votes from the pissed-off Dutch speaking side but the minority French speaking parties refused to work with them so instead they got together, formed a coalition and became the government instead.
That's how the rigged system is supposed to work, you see.
That's not "rigged". Just because you win a plurality of seats doesn't mean you get to govern.
share"Just because you win a plurality of seats doesn't mean you get to govern."
Nobody denied that. 😗
I mean unless the user above me was being sarcastic (possible), he kinda was suggesting it was "rigged".
shareAs well as I understood keybored, he/she meant the system is "rigged"...not the election.
That opens of course the always upcoming discussion at that point, if the proportional voting system is really better than the 'winner takes it all' as in the USA.
How would that mean the system is rigged? The seats assigned resemble the votes each party got.
Why should a party that gets 23% of the vote get 50%+ of the seats?
Why should I answer your rhetorical question when I never claimed anything else?
Btw. 23,6% at the moment.
Though not the final official result by now.
xanthas can use that for a next bright statement..and I need something to eat. 👋
>Why should I answer your rhetorical question when I never claimed anything else?
The point is I don't see how the seat makeup mostly correlating with the vote share could constitute being "rigged".
>Btw. 23,6% at the moment.
Why should a party that gets 23.6% of the vote get 50%+ of the seats?
It doesn't change anything if you repeat your rhetorical question with my more exact percentage.
We may've discussed the advantages and disadvantages of a proportional voting system as mentioned above.
But now really...Guten Appetit! 🍜
I'm a she and yes I was referring to the system which was and is heavily rigged in favour of the minority French speakers who are around 40% of the country yet get to dictate what happens to the 60% Flemish majority +/- the 1% German side.
My husband explained it to me a few years back but I forgot what he said. It's a complicated political system here in how things are run. Mucho bureaucracy.
Oh yah, the good ole tensions between the Flemish and the Walloons. Some years back I was even asked at a sports competition to greet the Flemish team instead of the Belgian team. It was a friendly competition so I did greet the Flemish, but it appeared somewhat strange to me. As the constant teasing between us Northerners (according to the Bavarians we're the "Prussian swines") and the Bavarians with their ridiculous Lederhosen. ☺
Come on, we're Europe now! 🇪🇺
Let's try to overcome these tensions and prejudices. You don't need your husband for that, you've your own head. And you got Brussels and undisputedly the best pralines.
No joke!
Belgium chocolate and pralines are the best! 🇧🇪 ♥
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If voters want to drastically reduce immigration, they need to vote for parties that will lower it.
They do, then the party simply reneges on its promise. This is why the Conservative Party in the UK is about to be annihilated after nearly 15 years of uninterrupted power. share
why wouldn't they allow it?
Because mass immigration benefits too many elite players. Big Banks love it because it ramps up house prices as more people compete for fewer homes. Big Business wants it for hordes of cheap labour. Leftist parties want it because it imports a voter base they can buy with your money. Globalist NGOs like the WEF and figures like George Soros get to see Western nations destabilised as Islam starts to rape and kill the native population - conflict ensues which they can then promise to fix if you cede more power over your nation to them.
Anyone who threatens this will be demonised by the elite-run mainstream media and corrupt courts, as we’re seeing with Trump and Wilders - decent men trying to represent the will of the people who are maliciously labelled ‘far Right’ by the mendacious press.
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Ok, that makes sense.
I don't entirely share you're opinion, but there's a core of truth in it.
And thanks for your answer!
Just checked again to see how Wilders' coalition negotiations are going.
That'll take longer. ☹️
He has a few hurdles yet to clear, but as the other parties try to block him it just reinforces that an anti-democratic elite is crushing the population which, combined with more immigrant crime, will eventually cause a violent revolution.
shareWell, perhaps we can agree on riots...not "violent revolution".
Even here our pinko chancellor Scholz changed his attitude when polls showed that 'his' folk is annoyed about his immigration policy.
Btw. in the last elections just around 15% voted for 'our' chancellor's party. Yah yah, as mentioned above...advantages and disadvantages of a proportional voting system.
What are you on about? His party didn't win a majority of seats. If the other parties block him from forming a government, it would be the equivalent of 76.4% of the voters stopping him.
shareNo it wouldn’t, it would just be antidemocratic political manoeuvring, and it will eventually be met with violent revolution as more people suffer under mass immigration and the crime it brings.
How would it be "antidemocratic"? PVV, Geert Wilders party did not win a majority of seats. They cannot govern alone. They need other parties support, and if they don't get it, they aren't in government.
The other parties do not "owe" them their support. You don't seem to get how proportional systems work.
I know how they work and in situations like this where parties gang up to block the most popular party it is antidemocratic. Don’t worry though, the people will not be suppressed, the democratic deficit will be met with violent revolution.
>I know how they work and in situations like this where parties gang up to block the most popular party it is antidemocratic.
How the fuck is that antidemocratic? Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
Why should other parties be forced to work with them?
>Don’t worry though, the people will not be suppressed, the democratic deficit will be met with violent revolution.
What suppression? What *democratic deficit*? PVV won 23.6% of the vote. 76.4% of the country DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM.
And I see you are openly encouraging armed revolution on the basis of other parties potentially not wanting to work with a political party. You are a violent, anti-democratic thug.
If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
Listen, I know you like seeing the Dutch people subjected to endless immigrant crime and having their country destroyed, and it upsets you to think that one day they will fight back and defend their nation. Can’t you just be grateful for the destruction that has already occurred? Isn’t that enough for you? Have you not seen enough rape and murder to satisfy your bloodthirsty hatred of the Dutch??
>If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
Does that mean you think the Social Democratic Party in Sweden should currently be in office? They won a plurality of votes in the last election, but the Moderate Party and the Swedish Democrats combined to stop them. Is that wrong? Not only that, but the SDP in Sweden got 30% of the vote - 6% more than the PVV in the Netherlands got.
I'll ask again: Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
Why should other parties be forced to work with them?
>Listen, I know you like seeing the Dutch people subjected to endless immigrant crime and having their country destroyed, and it upsets you to think that one day they will fight back and defend their nation.
I said no such thing. I said that Geert Wilders party being in the government is not a guarantee.
You are an anti-democratic thug.
If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
Listen, I know you like seeing the Dutch people subjected to endless immigrant crime and having their country destroyed, and it upsets you to think that one day they will fight back and defend their nation. Can’t you just be grateful for the destruction that has already occurred? Isn’t that enough for you? Have you not seen enough rape and murder to satisfy your bloodthirsty hatred of the Dutch??
>If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
Answer my question: Does that mean you think the Social Democratic Party in Sweden should currently be in office? They won a plurality of votes in the last election, but the Moderate Party and the Swedish Democrats combined to stop them. Is that wrong? Not only that, but the SDP in Sweden got 30% of the vote - 6% more than the PVV in the Netherlands got.
I'll ask again: Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
Listen, I know you like seeing the Dutch people subjected to endless immigrant crime and having their country destroyed, and it upsets you to think that one day they will fight back and defend their nation. Can’t you just be grateful for the destruction that has already occurred? Isn’t that enough for you? Have you not seen enough rape and murder to satisfy your bloodthirsty hatred of the Dutch??
>If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
And if you can't understand how 23.6% of the vote is not a majority, then "your loser brain" doesn't work.
And you're not answering my questions: Does that mean you think the Social Democratic Party in Sweden should currently be in office? They won a plurality of votes in the last election, but the Moderate Party and the Swedish Democrats combined to stop them. Is that wrong? Not only that, but the SDP in Sweden got 30% of the vote - 6% more than the PVV in the Netherlands got.
I'll ask again: Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
I am answering no questions from you until you answer my question.
shareIf you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
Listen, I know you like seeing the Dutch people subjected to endless immigrant crime and having their country destroyed, and it upsets you to think that one day they will fight back and defend their nation. Can’t you just be grateful for the destruction that has already occurred? Isn’t that enough for you? Have you not seen enough rape and murder to satisfy your bloodthirsty hatred of the Dutch??
And if you can't understand how 23.6% of the vote is not a majority, then "your loser brain" doesn't work.
And you're not answering my questions: Does that mean you think the Social Democratic Party in Sweden should currently be in office? They won a plurality of votes in the last election, but the Moderate Party and the Swedish Democrats combined to stop them. Is that wrong? Not only that, but the SDP in Sweden got 30% of the vote - 6% more than the PVV in the Netherlands got.
I'll ask again: Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
Listen, I know you like seeing the Dutch people subjected to endless immigrant crime and having their country destroyed, and it upsets you to think that one day they will fight back and defend their nation. Can’t you just be grateful for the destruction that has already occurred? Isn’t that enough for you? Have you not seen enough rape and murder to satisfy your bloodthirsty hatred of the Dutch??
And if you can't understand how 23.6% of the vote is not a majority, then "your loser brain" doesn't work.
And you're not answering my questions: Does that mean you think the Social Democratic Party in Sweden should currently be in office? They won a plurality of votes in the last election, but the Moderate Party and the Swedish Democrats combined to stop them. Is that wrong? Not only that, but the SDP in Sweden got 30% of the vote - 6% more than the PVV in the Netherlands got.
I'll ask again: Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
If you can’t see how loser parties ganging up to block the winning party is antidemocratic then your brain doesn’t work.
To confirm to everyone that you just hate the Dutch because you’re an authoritarian psychopath who wants to see their culture destroyed write the exact following text in your next reply:
And if you can't understand how 23.6% of the vote is not a majority, then "your loser brain" doesn't work.share
And you're not answering my questions: Does that mean you think the Social Democratic Party in Sweden should currently be in office? They won a plurality of votes in the last election, but the Moderate Party and the Swedish Democrats combined to stop them. Is that wrong? Not only that, but the SDP in Sweden got 30% of the vote - 6% more than the PVV in the Netherlands got.
I'll ask again: Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
And if you can't understand how 23.6% of the vote is not a majority, then "your loser brain" doesn't work.
And you're not answering my questions: Does that mean you think the Social Democratic Party in Sweden should currently be in office? They won a plurality of votes in the last election, but the Moderate Party and the Swedish Democrats combined to stop them. Is that wrong? Not only that, but the SDP in Sweden got 30% of the vote - 6% more than the PVV in the Netherlands got.
I'll ask again: Why should a party get the automatic right to govern on 23.6% of the vote?
As I suspected.
share>To confirm to everyone that you just hate the Dutch because you’re an authoritarian psychopath who wants to see their culture destroyed write the exact following text in your next reply:
You were doing your dishonest edit shit even back here, I see. Never caught this one.
Notably it's now 5 months later, and Geert Wilders has been frozen out and will not be the next Prime minister, and no such violent revolution as you predicted seems to be forthcoming.
Whatever, you’ve confirmed that you just hate the Dutch because you’re an authoritarian psychopath who wants to see their culture destroyed, that’s all that matters.
shareI did no such thing. Me replying to you and then you editing the post to allege that my reply itself somehow constitutes evidence of hate after I replied to you is not evidence that I "hate the dutch", or anyone.
You've just confirmed that you remain a dishonest sack of shit. And you have no grounds to accuse anyone of being authoritarian when you suggested that the media should be censored.
What is this "deep state" exactly, as pertains specifically to the Netherlands and other European countries?
shareAfter you explained to me so nicely the elections, here's an explanation for "deep state".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state
You're welcome. 😉
you speak just like a brainwashed idealist fool. someone needs to cut your internet connection you stupid little lemming.
shareYou’d love to do that wouldn’t you, ya nasty woke shitstain.
shareyep, if I think you're an idiot then clearly I must be woke. your 2 braincells must really be working overtime here
shareI’d learn basic grammar and punctuation before calling someone else an ‘idiot’. Retarded, nasty woke shitstain, aren’t you?
Write the following sentence to confirm that you’re a toxic woke bitch who takes it in both ends:
do you know any words besides woke? you obsessive little social reject
OK, Go… share
do you know any words besides woke? you obsessive little social reject
shareThought so.
shareAnd you sound like a brainwashed idealist lemming from the other faction. Not that much better...
shareJust to clarify:
You replied to MiguelGordon. 🪆 🇷🇺 ♥
that's because you're yet another dumb politically obsessed fool with a mental capacity so small that you can only see 2 kinds of people, and if they aren't on one "side" then they must fully subscribe to the other.
you're just as retarded as melton and people like you and your obsession with American right vs left politics are exactly what's wrong with the world
310 posts and all full of shit. And ignored...
sharethanks, you saved me the effort.
now if you could just get the rest of your righty vs lefty gang of politically obsessed nutjobs to do the same then maybe I could log into a MOVIE DISCUSSION site without seeing nothing but pictures of trump and floyd