Since the 19 f'ing 70's Bob Barker and Drew Carey have been BEGGING, "Get your pets spayed or neutered", but look where we are today. Animal shelters overflowing with unwanted pets.
Help control the Pet Population, they keep saying. It's so bad now with shelter dogs, excuse me, "rescue dogs", that you're evil if you purchase a dog from a breeder, rather than "rescue" a dog.
I can't believe I actually agree with you on this one. 100% I agree with you. I worked in sheltering for many years and a few years ago moved and started a 501(C)(3) low cost spay-neuter org. in the town we moved to. Spaying and neutering is the key to stopping pet over population. We had a real spay neuter push in the 90's and 2000's and things started to get better but with social media, which gives unscrupulous breeders and bogus "rescue" groups a platform, things have gone totally backwards and downhill for companion animals. People will never change. People will never stop giving up their pets for stupid reasons (some reasons are legitimate, most are not), however, the numbers can and should be brought down so that animals are not so "plentiful", so easily replaced, like pieces of furniture. Unfortunately, that is how the public views them and it's wrong.
Unfortunately, it's always only been animal shelters that have tried to educate the public about spaying and neutering. With only handfuls of exceptions, most politicians are just as ignorant about animal welfare as the general public is. There has never been a real effort on the part of state or local politicians to bring awareness to this plight: no formal education in schools, no public service announcements, etc., etc., etc. Too much emphasis has been (and currently is) being placed on "adoption". However, we cannot and never could adopt our way out of a HUGE over population issue, especially when most people do not keep their animals but so many of them let them have litters, which compounds the already existing terrible plight. This "adopt them all" ideology has really backfired!
Bob Barker was a wonderful man! His organization gave grants to groups that offer low cost spay neuter. He did a lot in his lifetime to help animals and he will be sorely missed!
I will now get off my soapbox. I was just very pleasantly surprised to see your comment on this issue and had to put my 50 cents in.
Rescue dogs shouldn't be a thing, period. They can't be rehabbed. They just find an owner to latch on to but they are still a menace to every other human on Earth (even the worst, most violent shitbull on Earth loves its master). They should all be put down and that creates a job for Michael Vick who is probably looking to come out of retirement.
shareYou're missing my point. I love dogs and sure, we should try to save all dogs.
But the ROOT of the problem is IRRESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS who do not spay/neuter their dogs. Everyone cheerleading for shelter dogs is a band-aid on a deep wound.
GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, (as Kowalski would say, LOL!)
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shareIm not missing it, Im ignoring it because NO, we SHOULDNT try to save all dogs. You cant repair them. Bad dogs suck and should be put down. As soon as they show any aggression towards someone, off to the pound (in the scope of being a regular household pet). Hell, even if they have these weird diseases, DEATH. They are overly abundant and unnecessary to save. We have enough good ones that we dont need the assholes. They were supposed to bred out of extinction from wolves you moron, not kept alive and allowed to reproduce more assholes. Or did you want to harbor wild animals that attack people, children and other pets, unprovoked? Like they say, like owner like pet.
sharePolitical Correctness and PITA both disagree with you, although I do see your point. I am a snobby pure-bred owner myself. I would not call our breeder a Puppy Mill, but she was borderline enough to be watched. I would never buy from a puppy mill or pet store.
shareYou're gonna play the P.C. card? C'mon, lol
I doubt she needed to be watched. Common sense and logic would think she would only make enough to sell (so no orphans), otherwise she would have lose money feeding them, or bringing the value down by creating too many.
Yes she sold them all for sure.. She is breeding Golden Doodles, one of the most popular dog breeds today, for those of us not guilted into getting a "rescue".
shareA Golden Doodle is not a breed, it's a mixed breed dog and is not recognized by the AKC or any other pure breed dog registries. I'm surprised you opted to buy a mix when you could have gone to a reputable pure breed specific rescue group and adopted an actual pure breed dog or to a reputable breeder. People that breed mixes are not reputable so it doesn't surprise me that you said she was "borderline enough to be watched." It sounds like you don't care as much as I initially thought you did. Oh well, my mistake.
shareOk you got Me on a technicality with the Doodles not being pure breeds. Guilty as charged. But yet they're more expensive than many pure breeds. I chose the breed because of its characteristics, not because I care about its AKC inclusion. The breeder was very picky about both the poodle and Golden Retriever genealogy.
shareIf she was careful she wouldn't have crossed two breeds to make a mix. It is what it is. As I said, my mistake.
shareIf she can make more money breeding Golden Doodles than Poodles or Golden Retrievers, then I say the law of Supply and Demand is working. And they are cute as fuck.
Black men and their white sexually-satisfied blonde mothers (See: Tiger Woods and the NBA) tend to make attractive babies too.
Cross-breeding is a thing, get used to it. I suppose you stay away from Broccolini too?
"They're cute as fuck", yep that's what people say about the puppies when they don't spay and neuter their pets!! Broccolini?? Interracial couples??? Wow, now you just sound like a nut. Have a good day.
shareBull shit
shareI don't disagree, I just don't think it's that affordable nowadays. When I got my dog from a shelter almost 20 years ago - he's passed now - it cost me maybe $200 for him to be neutered and micro-chipped back then, so I imagine it's much more costly now. I know a lot of people will say, "If you can't afford it, then why have a dog at all?" but that just leads back to the overcrowded shelters, when buying pet food and litter is doable but finding an extra couple of hundred dollars for one procedure isn't. Also, side note, I found out shortly before he died at age 16 that he'd never actually been neutered, though I had payed for it - they legally couldn't release a dog unless it'd been neutered. So if you're familiar with canine anatomy, you might not realize your pet isn't neutered, even after having gotten it done.
shareHe must have had two retained testicles, meaning they were stuck in his abdomen and never descended. They can easily become cancerous and neutering is the only way to eliminate that danger. Aside from that, it is impossible to mistake an unneutered male dog with descended testicles with a neutered male dog, just impossible. Even the receptionist at your vet's office would have noticed and mentioned it to you if you put on your dog's file that he was neutered. This is why I think his testicles were retained and could not be seen. Unless you're saying you never, in all the years you had him, brought him to a vet, had him boarded, or let him around anyone who knew dogs(?) It sounds like this was a huge misunderstanding.
Nope, they were descended, it just never came up until his final days, where they asked why I'd chosen not to have him de-sexed. That's what they'd believed for all those years, that I was basically a bad pet owner. Besides, he was an extremely healthy dog, so not many vet visits, and when I would take him to the vet, it would be for something serious, so the focus was always on the issue at hand, not anything outside of that. Just one of those things that slipped through the cracks I guess.
shareIt's very hard for me to believe that no one, in any capacity - anywhere, for years - didn't notice that on the dog's file he was marked neutered, per you the owner, and yet he wasn't! If you say so 🙄
shareI don't think they were looking that deep into it, and the people who screwed up certainly weren't trying to admit or fix their error. Vets are pretty overrun with work, so it's not like they're taking the time to read through a file.
shareVets must read through files, it's crucial for them in order to know what they're dealing with. The vet staff also looks at the files. Heck, the person filling out the file would have noticed he wasn't neutered if you said he was. If the dog was ever boarded they would have asked if he was neutered, it's standard procedure, and obviously he wasn't.
Sorry, it just doesn't make sense, but let's not dwell anymore 🙂 If you ever adopt another dog, I'm sure something like that would never happen again.
They should, sure, but that doesn't mean they always do. A lot of people in medical fields are incompetent, even the animal related ones.
shareSure they would. Puppy mills would still exist.
shareThere's a huge amount of unwanteds that are brought into shelters from folks around the corner who let their dogs have puppies. It's an overwhelming problem. Knowing that there are puppy mills and unscrupulous "breeders" and "rescues", why compound the problem instead of doing one's part to help?
shareThat has nothing to do with my comment. The OP said rescue dogs “wouldn't be a thing” if everyone would just heed Barker’s advice. I said yes they would.
sharehttps://youtu.be/3izGqkPM5Gg?t=531
Found that one.
Uess your dog is my dig. He was found after a disaster and no one claimed him. There was a death toll and his chip couldn't identify the original owner. He and others were transported up north where we found him. Spaying and neutering wouldn't account for his situation. Plus, I'm happy he's here. He's chill and very obedient. He gets nervous during stong storms (2 times in 3 years) and has no issue with fireworks or loud noises. When people come over, he's a sweetheart. I've only heard him bark about 20 times. Aside from the occasional bad gas, he's fantastic. Bonus, he opens doors, even those with knobs.
The city and county shelters are full of mostly pit bulls and chihuahuas. All the desirable dogs are grabbed up by private shelters that charge a fortune and put you through a ringer like you're adopting a kid. It's a fucking racket.
shareYou're right, a lot of these "rescues" are not reputable and only want the money. Very frequently, another "rescue" is closed down, with anywhere from 10 - 100 starving/dead dogs and cats being confiscated. You might be interested in following Rescue Watch on FB. They closely report on every "rescue" that is closed down/operators brought up on cruelty charges https://www.facebook.com/RescueAbuse For every one that is actually reported, so many others go unreported.
But, of course, if people had been spaying and neutering their pets all these years, these "rescues" - which number the thousands, maybe tens of thousands - wouldn't have to exist. And that goes for the pits you mentioned too, they never should have been born.
As an aside, there are definitely reputable rescues out there, but, unfortunately, most of them now are not.