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Sex vs Violence


I cited Game of Thrones in a thread discussing a different matter, and one person replied that the series was nothing but soft-core porn.

I responded that I thought there was much more to the show.

I was struck by the fact that the person who commented didn't seem at all bothered by the copious violence shown on GoT, which I wouldn't miss if it were reduced, especially in the very lengthy battle scenes.

My question: Are you bothered by depictions of sex, violence, both, or neither?

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Most sex scenes don't bother me at all. Rape scenes do bother me- Sansa's rape in GOT was awful but it was integral to the plot (when quite a bit of the sex in that show really isn't integral, it's just kind of background scenery. i.e. gratuitous) The rape scene was hard to watch, but it should be hard to watch.
Most violence in movies also doesn't bother me, but torture scenes are hard for me to watch. Like I love horror movies, but I don't like the torture-porn subgenre. The SAW movies, Wolf Creek, etc. The battle violence in GOT does not bother me. The torture of Theon/Reek did a little, but he was a terrible person so it was easier to take than if an innocent person gets tortured.

It's funny because when I was younger, I could watch anything. In college, a film major friend wanted a group of us to go see Salo. I didn't even know what it was but he said "It's the most disturbing film ever made!" and I immediately said "I'm in!" So we went (it was playing at an art house) and there were about 5 of us, I was the only female.
So about halfway through one of my friends got so freaked out he walked out and then the other guys followed him. I wanted to stay but they were my ride. I don't think I'd want to watch it now, but at the time I was proud of being all hardcore. I reckon by now it's lost it's spot as "most disturbing film ever made".

The other thing I REALLY do not like to watch is violence to animals in movies, even if it is faked and no animals were harmed.
2 years ago there was a Chilean movie called "The Club" that had a terrible animal cruelty scene at the end that just haunted me for a long time. I know someone will say why does that bother me but the human characters getting beaten up doesn't bother me... I don't know how to explain it. Animals are just more helpless.

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Also nudity does not bother me at all but I do think it should be more equal. GOT is constantly showing naked women but the only dick we saw was Hodor's prosthetic unit. I think for every 5 naked boobs, we should get to see a dick, and NOT some old guy, either.

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@ Popcorn Kernel
I strongly agree with you about cruelty and violence toward animals. I felt revulsion when the witch sacrificed the Khal's horse to save Drogo's life, and even when the desperate Arya went through the streets killing pigeons.

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Nothing compares to The Fly 2. It still haunts me to this day. :(

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I'm with you on violence towards animals shown in movies or TV.

Exactly, animals are more helpless, and children too. Very rarely are there scenes of violence towards children, thankfully. Wish I could say the same about animals. I've always been sensitive to both. Never felt the need to be machisma in that way, personally, although I do get it.

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I have become way more sensitive over the years. Or maybe just more aware? I used to like watching violent and scary movies and play violent video games when I was younger, but now it's just too uncomfortable. That might sound extreme, but watching violence sometimes feels like it's physically hurting me, or injuring me mentally in some way.

With sex scenes it depends. I hate sex scenes that pander to the (often male) audience, but I think they are ok if they serve the story and the characters. But imo the sex should be visualized in a relatively realistic way and include the emotional aspect, good or bad.

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I've noticed how much more sensitive I have become as well. I think the awareness does play a part. I have nieces and I am glad that they are age appropriate. My sister is allowing them to be children. I think the fact that they are not dealing with adult themes too early is making them so much smarter and more mature.

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@PrivateBozz
Like many young boys, I thought violence in films was exciting. We would imagine ourselves as warrior when we were grown.

But, by the time I was 20, several of my friends had died in a number of shocking ways (drowning, struck by cars, suicide, horrible accidents), and I came to realize that every person who dies had a life they'd been living, and had been snatched away from people who cared about them, who lived on in pain from the loss.

I learned that life isn't cheap or meaningless, to be casually snuffed out. Each one matters, even if they're strangers far away, or if they happen to be wearing some uniform of a country we're supposed to hate at that moment in time. They were all someone, once. It's called learning empathy.

They're all people, not just targets in a movie or a game. Kudos for evolving, PrivateBozz. Some people never do.

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Beautiful post by the way.

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Thanks

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Thanks!

It seems like you've had a big amount of hard experiences and loss in your life. It's admirable what insight into life you took from it instead of letting it turn you into a cynic. That takes strength, not to give in to the bitterness. Great post.

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I agree about awareness. I can watch sex and violent stuff, but I am much more aware too in how it's being displayed, or if it means something to the story and all that. I find myself asking, "does this need to be included in here?" Being thoughtful about that sort of thing is good and not only humane, but can help make films/shows of quality if we're questioning them and holding up a mirror to it.

It's far too easy to be ignorant when regarding what we watch because it can all just be tossed off as entertainment and nothing more, but when you realize these things do have an impact and weight to them, than you begin to care more how content is represented. So yes, awareness doesn't have to equate to your own censorship, but rather it can be something of added depth.

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It depends on the movie. Each one is a unique case. If the sex or violence are germane to the story and not overdone, I'm okay with it.

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For the most part I'm OK with both violence and nudity in film and television if they are believable or or at least conducive to the story.
However, any rape or gross torture scenes (whether seen or implied) are never pleasant, although that doesn't mean that they should necessarily be never shown.
I've always liked horror films, so seeing gore is not just expected but part of the equation.
Having said that, I couldn't imagine watching a fluffy costume drama that suddenly had a beheading scene inserted.

Either way, like a lot of people, as I have gotten older, I find myself a bit more bothered by senseless gratuitous (and often glorified) violence, but less bothered by nudity and (consensual) sex.

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I dislike "romance" in my horror films. I dislike gratuitous sex in ANY FILM OT TV PROGRAM. But sex , if it is in continuity with the plot, I don't have a problem with.

Violence , no problem, I can see anything, anytime.

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You're more comfortable watching people suffer than having pleasure, in any context? I find that hard to understand.

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yep

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I find that difficult to understand as well. Not arguing with you or trying to change your mind, but would you mind explaining why?

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Well, I'm a horror aficionado, so I suppose I am enured to the violence , gore, etc. I seek it out. I don't get anything from the romance. Now, don't get me wrong, I am married with kids and grandkids and in fact, I'm female.

I'm not against romantic feelings, of course, I just find it boring and tedious on screen as it's presented today. However, I do love the old B&W films of romance say, Astaire and Rogers, Bette Davis, etc.

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I don't enjoy either, but I'm less bothered by violence because it's not real. Nudity, touching, thrusting are all real and should be personal and private, not filmed for millions to ogle.

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Stuntmen and actors are always getting hurt filming violent scenes, incidental pain is probably as common as incidental arousal in sex scenes.

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An unintentional scrape does not equate to intentional physical intimacy.

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I respect your right to a different opinion, but there are many stories of people being badly injured even dying on set, probably similar numbers to those who were actually graphically intimate on camera.

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I'm most bothered by sexual violence in films and television. It's something that I have to turn away from as it makes my stomach turn.

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Strongly agree.

Other types of violence, there might be some sort of argument to rationalize, such as revenge, (not a great defense, but understandable, in some instances), defense of self or others, intervening for the greater good (such as killing a suicide bomber in a school, etc), or others one could imagine.

But sexual assault, in any case I can think of, is the strong preying on the weak, the motive is violation and degradation, and I can't think of a situation in which it could be excused.

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