Does it cause harm? What do you think.
Note: I'm talking about every aspect of the transgender movement/mission/cause/campaign.
No.
shareDid you not understand the question?
shareI understand the question and my answer is no.
shareSo performing surgeries on people doesnt harm them?
shareI'm sensing a "you didnt say anything about surgery" argument coming. I said specifically "every aspect"
shareIf someone chooses to have surgery, then no it doesn't harm them, as long as it is done by a competent doctor. People have surgeries all the time for different reasons and it usually benefits them.
shareSo lopping off body parts doesnt harm the person?
shareSurgery by skilled, professional doctors is not the same as lopping off body parts.
shareso cutting the penis off of a person who want to be a "girl" doesnt cause harm?
shareYOUR OP ASKS A QUESTION...YET...YOU SEEM TO BE DEMANDING A CERTAIN ANSWER AND AGREEMENT WITH YOUR STANCE....THIS IS VERY DISINGENUOUS.
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If a trans person chooses to have gender reassignment surgery, no it doesn't cause them harm, just as any other surgery performed by doctors would not cause harm.
shareThe suicide rate actually goes up after they have the surgery, not down.
shareAre you suggesting that a trans person would not be suicidal if they didn't have the surgery? That's quite a leap. People don't suddenly decide to commit suicide because they had a gender reassignment surgery.
shareNo, Im saying the suicide rate increases.
shareWhat's your point? There are trans people who commit suicide and there are cisgender people who commit suicide. There are a lot of different reasons why someone might contemplate or commit suicide. Being transgender and what you call the transgender movement does not cause harm.
shareYou'd have to explain how it doesnt cause harm. Just repeating it doesnt cause harm doesn't prove anything. Cutting off a mans penis or cutting off a womans breasts does cause real physical harm. Plus in the case of a man they could never have children of their own. Which would cause psychological harm, especially, if they change their mind later.
No, if you are making an argument that being transgender causes harm, you need to provide the evidence and make an argument. You claiming that it causes harm means nothing. You don't like LGBTQ people and are making these claims based on your personal opinions.
shareAnd just ignore everything I said. Well done.
shareDo you want to see a picture of what they are doing to children?
shareDo you have inappropriate pictures of children saved on your computer? I don't want to see that.
sharehttps://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1780104627456709041/photo/1
In the case of girls wanting to be "boys" these good doctors are cutting a large patch of skin off either the leg or arm and sewing the skin to the abdomen to make a "penis" for them. As a result they are permanently disfigured.
There's a huge difference between surgery on consenting adults and on children. You can support transgender people and trans rights with supporting gender reassignment surgery for children. They are two completely different topics.
shareThat frankenstein looking arm looks quite harmful and probably pretty painful too.
shareQuite the comment from the O.G. MovieChat poster who specializes in public commentary on the attractiveness of elementary school girls and his desire to see movies with child nudity. Youâre really trying to re-brand that Allaby history.
share"Quite the comment from the O.G. MovieChat poster who specializes in public commentary on the attractiveness of elementary school girls and his desire to see movies with child nudity. Youâre really trying to re-brand that Allaby history."
Oh really? Can you tell us more.
You donât know the history of Allaby / BrandNewPoster on these forums? Take a look at ANY page for an elementary school actress or movie notorious for child nudity. Within the earliest threads or comments, you will find the enthusiastic contributions of Allaby (now with the â[deleted]â moniker since he thereafter deleted his account due to widespread condemnation) or BrandNewPoster.
share"You donât know the history of Allaby / BrandNewPoster on these forums? Take a look at ANY page for an elementary school actress or movie notorious for child nudity. Within the earliest threads or comments, you will find the enthusiastic contributions of Allaby (now with the â[deleted]â moniker since he thereafter deleted his account due to widespread condemnation) or BrandNewPoster."
Are there other people who can confirm this?
Read the page for child actress, Peyton Wesson - the thread that has 82 comments. The deleted posts are all by BrandNewPoster who was then known as Allaby. He deleted his account after so many people berated him (thus, why there are 82 comments in a thread about Peyton Wesson). Then he re-branded as BrandNewPoster and instigated on that page again in the thread with 20 comments.
He gets aroused by posting provocative things about little girls, getting people to rail on him, and then seeing who will come to his defense. This is precisely why he made the out-of-context accusation about you having inappropriate pictures of children. Itâs bizarre and I shouldnât play into it but heâs terrible for the reputation of MovieChat
There are many other examples but thatâs the one I immediately can remember
I knew there was something familiar about BrandNewPedo.
shareHoly shit....yeah thats super creepy at best. Calling a little girl and her sister pretty and cute. Then admitting to following them on instagram.
shareI can.
shareI'm pure and innocent now. I no longer think that beautiful tween girls are super cute and charming. I now believe that pretty young girls are icky and gross and definitely not charming or attractive.
sharehttps://fenwayhealth.org/new-study-shows-transgender-people-who-receive-gender-affirming-surgery-are-significantly-less-likely-to-experience-psychological-distress-or-suicidal-ideation/
A lot of studies on this otherwise seem to be kinda old.
A group of left wing organizations publishing a "study" on trans surgery. I'm sure it's highly accurate and totally trustworthy.
shareSo where's your data then?
Can I dismiss if it's from some right-wing thinktank or evangelical website? Presumably by your logic I could.
You dont think Fenway would be a tad biased?
shareA study by the same side that started it, endorses it and profits from it.
Fake studies like that one is part of the problem.
yeah Fenway health is performing trans surgeries and they were behind the study. What did QM think he was proving by linking that BS?
shareWhat would constitute valid neutral sources to you? If you were to present a far-right source, could I dismiss that?
shareIt's not necessary to present any because there's no neutrality or compromising about such perversion.
And your usual deflective excuses about traditional religion is dismissed.
This is about 'common sense'.
>It's not necessary to present any because there's no neutrality or compromising about such perversion.
So you have no sources that back up your claim that most transpeople regret it, nor commit suicide at higher rates. That you don't like the phenomenon and consider it a "perversion" is not a valid substitute.
>And your usual deflective excuses about traditional religion is dismissed.
What does religion have to do with anything?
>This is about 'common sense'.
You made specific claims about what is happening. Back them up or fuck off.
I wasn't initially talking to you.
You inserted yourself in the conversation and you didn't even address the correct response.
My previous response was a direct rebuttal to your dumbassery of 'neutral sources' and 'evangelical websites'.
>I wasn't initially talking to you.
I don't give a fuck. This is a public forum.
>My previous response was a direct rebuttal to your dumbassery of 'neutral sources' and 'evangelical websites'.
Evangelical sites obviously have an ideological agenda to discredit LGBT stuff. Presuming the other user would source a study from an evangelical source, I can dismiss it on the same grounds they dismiss medical sources.
Once again; itâs not about religion, itâs about âcommon senseâ.
shareYou made specific claims about what is happening. Back them up or fuck off. Your claim was that most transpeople regret it, nor commit suicide at higher rates. That you don't like the phenomenon and consider it a "perversion" is not a valid substitute for actual data here.
There's no "common sense" that makes this self-evident. I know you believe that you're perfect and can't ever be wrong about anything, and no-one should question you - but in the real world, people will not give a fuck about how much of a dirtbag narcissist you are.
Only groomers and pedos require proof of the self-evident about the damage caused by transgender ideology.
shareWhether or not "transgender ideology" overall is harmful is not a relevant point specifically to your claim: Your claim was that most transpeople regret it, nor commit suicide at higher rates. That you don't like the phenomenon and consider it a "perversion" or harmful is not a valid substitute for actual data here. Back it up with some data or fuck off like the snivelling little bitch boy you are.
And your continuing to throw baseless hateful allegations at someone continues to mark you out as an evil nasty piece of shit.
Both of my statements are facts that anyone can research.
Only groomers playing coy require confirmation in order to continue their support for it.
You don't fool anyone. You are another Allaby.
To confirm you're a groomer, repeat most of your previous comment. đ
Whether or not "transgender ideology" overall is harmful is not a relevant point specifically to your claim: Your claim was that most transpeople regret it, nor commit suicide at higher rates. That you don't like the phenomenon and consider it a "perversion" or harmful is not a valid substitute for actual data here. Back it up with some data or fuck off like the snivelling little bitch boy you are.
And your continuing to throw baseless hateful allegations at someone continues to mark you out as an evil nasty piece of shit.
And I don't "support" anything but people's civil liberties. By your logic I also support Christianity, but I doubt you'd claim that.
And I don't "support" anything but people's civil liberties.
Quote me where I justified a single instance of grooming.
I think adults have the right to undergo sexual reassignment surgery. Not my business because I am not a piece of shit fascist like you.
You support it, you endorse it and you defend it under the guise and pretense of civil liberties.
Itâs because of people like you that made it possible for the evil bastards in power to push such a perversion on society.
Thereâs no scum lower than people like you.
You support it, you endorse it and you defend it under the guise and pretense of civil liberties.
Answer my question, shitface.
Quote me where I justified a single instance of grooming.
>Itâs because of people like you that made it possible for the evil bastards in power to push such a perversion on society.
Does transpeople just existing publicly constitute "pushing such a perversion"?
As I said: I think adults have the right to undergo sexual reassignment surgery. Not my business because I am not a piece of shit fascist like you.
>Thereâs no scum lower than people like you.
What about anti-american, anti-liberty hypocritical totalitarian fascist little shits like you who wish to use the state to persecute people who you don't like?
When are you going to release your evidence that the 2020 election was rigged? Trump is sitting in court being tried for 34 felonies so why you don't want to help him?
shareFact: The suicide rate of the 'transitioned' is higher than any other group in history.
share"Fact: The suicide rate of the 'transitioned' is higher than any other group in history."
It certainly is.
Do you really think that suicidal people would not be suicidal if they didn't transition? That's like saying because some people commit suicide while drinking alcohol, that alcohol caused them to commit suicide and therefore alcohol should be banned. People of all backgrounds have committed suicide for a number of different reasons.
share"Do you really think that suicidal people would not be suicidal if they didn't transition?"
again, less suicidal, if they dont transition.
You are making unproven assumptions based on your own prejudices.
shareThere have been studies done.
shareYeap, almost all of them regret their transition at some point in time.
The politicians and physicians endorsing those transitions know this fact but they donât care as long as their pockets are getting filled.
>Yeap, almost all of them regret their transition at some point in time.
Can I see the evidence that the vast majority of people who transition regret it?
Dysphoria is a temporary mental health condition.
It doesn't require permanent responses like transitioning.
It's perverted, barbaric, inhumane and evil.
In most cases, their dysphoria is an early indicator of homosexuality, not transgenderism.
Leave the kids alone.
AGREED...LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE...HOWEVER...NOBODY ON THIS THREAD IS SPEAKING ABOUT KIDS...EXCEPT YOU.
shareSURGERY IS A FIX NOT A HARM.
shareExactly what injury/illness did the body have that required surgery to "fix"?
shareI WAS NOT SPEAKING SPECIFICS...JUST SURGERY IN GENERAL...
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Yes.. It causes psychological harm in that you're a male and not intended to cut off your plumbing to attempt to become something you're not.. What I'm seeing right now in the media, I'd like to think this is a Fad that will eventually wear out, preferably when we don't have an Administration that eggs this sort of thing on
share"It causes psychological harm in that you're a male and not intended to cut off your plumbing to attempt to become something you're not."
Yes sir.
No. It's none of your business what someone else's identity is.
shareIt was my business when they started harming children.
shareThen:
- Donât affirm their mental delusions.
- Donât comply with their demands to use the opposite gender bathrooms and locker rooms.
- Donât comply with their demands to take over opposite gender sports.
- Donât comply with their demands for transmen to be housed in womenâs dorms.
- Donât comply with their demands for transmen to take academic and athletic scholarships from women.
- Donât comply with their demands to charge others with âsexual harassmentâ for not using preferred pronouns for an individual.
Corporations, Politicians and Physicians donât give a shit about someone elseâs identity unless they are profiting from it.
Itâs because of complying sheep like you that provide them with the power to commit those abominations.
Parents that comply with these perversions should be charged with child abuse.
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shareWell, the mental illness exists before the hormone and surgical damage is done permanently.
Even after their bodies are mutilated, their suicide rates go up.
Why does it exist:
1. Those who pursue it do it for attention. Shock value. EtcâŚtheyâre trying to fill some hole. Trying to earn their groomer parents approval.
2. The medical industry and big pharma see it as a profit source.
3. The global marxists use it to create chaos and thus empower themselves further.
There is nothing positive about condoning or allowing this process. These people need psychiatric help, not mutilation.
Does transgenderism cause harm?
Yes and no.
The answer is no because it alleviates a cause for self-harm. And the answer is yes because it does not eliminate the cause for self-harm, and evidence shows that the cause becomes even stronger because of transition.
In other words: Yes and Yes.
You canât fix a temporary problem with a permanent one.
Well, there's still the issue of how permanent it really is.
I'm actually prepared to agree that there are some people who truly do have permanent gender dysphoria. The problem is that it's growing at such an unnatural rate, that anybody can argue that it's being mass produced. The other problem is that most solutions trans activists ever try to solve it appear to MAKE it permanent, and they don't even know it.
Their solution to fix gender dysphoria is to affirm and encourage it.
It's like their solution to drug addiction is MORE DRUGS!