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Reddit atheist groups banned me. Why are they such thin skinned crybabies?




I went to one reddit where you get to "AskAnAtheist" and posted a respectful question:

Atheists like to bring up things in Christianity's past like the Crusades and such, as if modern Christianity is close to medieval Christianity, but are oddly silent when people criticize things atheism caused in the 20th century.

Racial pogroms, eugenics and forced sterilization, communist revolution killing the clergy, David Reimer's twisted experiments with child sexuality, The Great Leap Forward, and on and on.

So if Christianity was responsible for the Crusades (which were awesome and a response to Muslim conquests), then why isn't atheism responsible for the things it did more recently in the 20th century? It seems mighty convenient that it only goes one way. Or was this not "real atheism"?


I was civil. Many said "Well nothing was ever done in the name of atheism" which is not true as the eugenics founder explicitly said it was. And Albania seized the churches, tortured and executed the clergy, and founded a national museum calling it "The Museum of Atheism" and proclaimed itself to be an "atheistic state".

They cried and cried because deep down they know I'm right.

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What is it you think atheism is?

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Simple. A lack of belief in God.

Although generally atheists not only have a lack of belief in God, but want to force others to abandon their beliefs like in many of the above examples.

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>Although generally atheists not only have a lack of belief in God, but want to force others to abandon their beliefs like in many of the above examples.

How is that "generally" true? Do atheists living in UK, Scandinavia, USA, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Czechia etc want to "force others" to abandon their beliefs?

Communism is often explicitly anti-theistic, which is the driving point for many of the overt anti-religious attacks in countries like Albania, the USSR etc.

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>Do atheists living in UK, Scandinavia, USA, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Czechia etc want to "force others" to abandon their beliefs?

Yep. We can see this with legislation.

In Finland, they charged a politician with a literal war crime for saying marriage is between a man and a woman on a Christian podcast she did several years ago. Seriously. A war crime.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/november/finland-free-speech-rasenen-pohjola-appeals-court-win.html

While she was found not guilty, the ridiculousness of even being charged with a war crime shows that it is a bullying technique.

Heck, we can see examples on this board.

>Communism is often explicitly anti-theistic, which is the driving point for many of the overt anti-religious attacks in countries like Albania, the USSR etc.

Correct. It's an atheistic philosophy.

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>Yep. We can see this with legislation.

Name me this legislation please.

>In Finland, they charged a politician with a literal war crime for saying marriage is between a man and a woman on a Christian podcast she did several years ago. Seriously. A war crime.

>While she was found not guilty, the ridiculousness of even being charged with a war crime shows that it is a bullying technique.

Do you mean "hate crime"? Not war crime. She was found not guilty. Also I am not sure what this has to do with atheism at all.

>Correct. It's an atheistic philosophy.

But not inherently tied to atheism. People can and are atheist without being communist. ie: much of Europe and pretty much all atheists that live in democratic states. So what's your point?

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No, I mean "war crime". It's that ridiculous.

https://adfinternational.org/campaign/free-speech-on-trial

She was on trial for years. It's clearly an attack against Christianity.

Yeah, Europe isn't doing so good right now. It's falling apart in real time as it loses its Christian identity.

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"Päivi Räsänen and Bishop Pohjola were prosecuted for the crime of “agitation against a minority group”, under the section of “war crimes and crimes against humanity” in the Finnish criminal code. “Agitation against a minority group” for expressing basic Biblical truth online, in a pamphlet, and on a radio debate. The onerous legal process was the punishment in and of itself because targeting public figures sends an ominous message to all who dare to express their convictions."

It's just semantics based on a long-existing Finnish law.

Much of Europe has had these hate speech laws for years dude. It gets applied to people sometimes, sometimes poorly, when they make what are regarded as unpleasant comments to LGBT people. But is that your primary example here? A single case in Finland?

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It's not a single trial....it's years of legal proceedings, charging her with a literal "war crime".

And you admitted yourself that there's other examples in Europe.

I chose this as the example because it's more ridiculous than most.

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>It's not a single trial....it's years of legal proceedings, charging her with a literal "war crime".

Right. And I'm not remotely sure what it has to do with atheism at all.

>And you admitted yourself that there's other examples in Europe.

No, I said that most european countries have hate speech laws that are applied to many different things.

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>Right. And I'm not remotely sure what it has to do with atheism at all.

Well, who do you think it was that supported passing the law to begin with?

It certainly wasn't the Christians who fell victim to it. It's not hard to connect the dots.

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>Well, who do you think it was that supported passing the law to begin with?

Probably a cross-section of society. I don't know how old the laws are dude.

>It certainly wasn't the Christians who fell victim to it. It's not hard to connect the dots.

You have no way of knowing this whatsoever.

https://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1889/en18890039_19951010.pdf

The document has been around for a long time.

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> Probably a cross-section of society. I don't know how old the laws are dude.

Read the article.

> You have no way of knowing this whatsoever.

Except that I do. Why would a Christian pass a law that would get Christians arrested for expressing Christian views?

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https://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1889/en18890039_19951010.pdf

The document has been around for a long time.

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Do you realize that 65% of Finns are Evangelical Lutherans?

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Eh, I mean on paper.

But at the same time, the legislation he's referring to here is overall much older anyway when they were more religious.

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"Simple. A lack of belief in God."

Actually it's denying the existance of God, as opposed to believing in God. It's a philosophical question that science cannot answer. You were banned for attacking their dogma.

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No, that's the distinction between hard and soft atheism.

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Sounds about right.. This is as bad as me making a comment about a female basketball player looking masculine in photos shown on FOX and people lost their minds over it including Kowalski

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You weren't banned. You were downvoted.

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Imagine being such a tender little snowflake who gets very upset because of a few thumbs down.

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I GOT HIM SPREADING THE GOSPEL OF KOWALSKI™️...MY POST COUNT WENT UP BY A HUNDRED...I ALSO HAD A BLAST....I MIGHT MARRY THE DUDE!

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Atheism brought us "Common Era"(CE) and "Before Common Era"(BCE). Which are literally renamings of the real year denominators of BC(Before Christ) and AD(The Year of Our Lord)...no actual basis of the change, just a rebrand.

Talk about lazy and stupid lol.

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The change was made because not everyone believes in your imaginary friends.

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Easy Lige. You don't KNOW that God is imaginary. It's your opinion.

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God is nothing more than a character in a book of fairy tales called the Bible. Aren't you a little too old to believe in imaginary friends? Since you believe that God is real it's up to you to prove it. It must be uncomfortable for you to be so frightened of something that doesn't exist. You really are stupid and I KNOW that God doesn't exist.

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No you don't. You're a liar.

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Let them punch their ticket to hell lol.

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A god that would torture people because they don't think the right way is a deity not worth praise.

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He doesn’t torture anyone.

They willfully choose that path when they reject him.

God doesn’t expect perfection.

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I don't believe in a god or hell. I can't choose to be tortured by an entity I don't believe in or choose to enter a realm I do not believe in. If a hell exists, god is responsible on the basis of god setting up such circumstances in the first place.

I no more 'choose' this anymore than I choose the 'consequences' of Islam, as I equally disbelieve in that too.

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You don't believe because God gave you the free will to make your own choices. For the sake of argument, if God is real, would you want free will or would you like to be a pre-programmed automaton who has no choice but to love him?

God doesn't torture non-believers. He gives them the respect to chose not to believe and reject Him. You don't want to accept Him, so when you die, you go to a place completely void of Him according to your choice. He created all that is good and I mean ALL. Where you choose to go, ALL that is good is absent. You will be eternally separated from Him, according to YOUR choice.

I believe we're given this brief life to get to know Him or choose not to. No one will stand before God and be able to say they didn't have ample opportunity to make a well informed choice.

You have time, but I believe that its worth careful consideration. If He is real, don't you think its worth doing due diligence? Eternity is a long time.

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>You don't believe because God gave you the free will to make your own choices.

This is your worldview, not mine. From my position there's no reason to believe such an entity exists.

> For the sake of argument, if God is real, would you want free will or would you like to be a pre-programmed automaton who has no choice but to love him?

The former, but I wouldn't want to be tortured for not being informed of the truth.

>God doesn't torture non-believers. He gives them the respect to chose not to believe and reject Him. You don't want to accept Him, so when you die, you go to a place completely void of Him according to your choice.

God set up these conditions. Not believing in a god is not the same thing as rejecting life, warmth, happiness, contentedness. That's a false dichotomy.

>I believe we're given this brief life to get to know Him or choose not to.

Those are your beliefs, not mine. I have no reason to assume your worldview here is true.

>No one will stand before God and be able to say they didn't have ample opportunity to make a well informed choice.

Plenty of people, millions of people, billions of people are bought up and primarily exposed to religious instruction that has nothing to do with christian philosophy. How were they "informed" enough? What fair opportunity did they have?

>You have time, but I believe that its worth careful consideration. If He is real, don't you think its worth doing due diligence? Eternity is a long time.

I have zero reason to preference Christianity over Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism etc. You are asking me to engage a confirmation bias for entirely selfish reasons. This is part of why I find religious doctrine so poisonous - it attemps to appeal to our worst, and best impulses. God loves us and wants the best for us, but has instituted a system whereby anyone who dies failing to believe in him will be subject to eternal torment. It's repulsive. I can think of nothing any human alive has done, or could do that is so obviously evil.

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I'm not asking you to do anything. You're a free agent able to make your own decisions. I'm just sharing my thoughts.

Yes, people are raised/exposed to many religions or lack thereof. The fact is, the truth is out there and its up to the individual to find it, whether God is real or not and if there is a god, finding the true one. I believe we're given ample time to do this.

As far as the reality of what ever conditions any god may set up, its entirely at there discretion. As Reverend J. Vernon McGee used to say: "If you don't like it, go start your own universe."

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>Yes, people are raised/exposed to many religions or lack thereof. The fact is, the truth is out there and its up to the individual to find it, whether God is real or not and if there is a god, finding the true one. I believe we're given ample time to do this.

This makes god evil, in my mind.

God knows that billions of people will live, and die with only peripheral knowledge of christianity as a foreign religion.

But he sets it up so they're tormented forever.

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The vast majority of people on this earth have heard of Christianity and I'm confident that ALL will have the opportunity to make their decision.

You know, a lot of people think the way God operates is evil (I do not), but that's irrelevant. If he were, it would be his prerogative and the fact is, there's nothing you or anyone else could do about it. I feel extremely fortunate that He is not evil. They're "tormented forever" because they made that choice.

If you were sitting at a bus stop in the pouring rain and I pulled up in my car and said "Come with me. I'll take you to my house and give you a hot meal and some shelter." And you said "No. I don't believe you have a house and I don't like you." It would be your choice to sit out in the rain, freezing. It would not be evil for me to drive on and forget about you.

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>The vast majority of people on this earth have heard of Christianity and I'm confident that ALL will have the opportunity to make their decision.

I've heard of Sikhism. I've heard of Zoroastarianism. I know little about them. Am I "informed" about them? What reason do I have to assume that they might not contain within them more nuggets of truth about the world than Christianity might?

That's the relationship someone from many parts of India might have with Christianity. Or people bought up and who die in Islamic countries with a majority of 99% muslim.

>You know, a lot of people think the way God operates is evil (I do not), but that's irrelevant. If he were, it would be his prerogative and the fact is, there's nothing you or anyone else could do about it.

So you essentially are admitting to me that you have no morals. If God told you to rape, would you do it? What grounds could you refuse?

>I feel extremely fortunate that He is not evil. They're "tormented forever" because they made that choice.

I have made no such choice. I don't believe in a god. I don't "choose" against god anymore than I "choose" against Zeus, Thor, Odin, Allah, Krishna etc. The premise is fundamentally broken and it misunderstands the nature of belief. I don't believe in a god, nor Christianity specifically because I am unconvinced they constitute satisfactory explanations for the world.

>If you were sitting at a bus stop in the pouring rain and I pulled up in my car and said "Come with me. I'll take you to my house and give you a hot meal and some shelter." And you said "No. I don't believe you have a house and I don't like you." It would be your choice to sit out in the rain, freezing. It would not be evil for me to drive on and forget about you.

Except in this context, I haven't received any such an offer. A more accurate analogy would be that I am sitting in a sunny street, and you're telling me that it's raining, and I need to get into your creepy van. I have no reason to trust you as a supposed envoy of this god. In addition, there are competing vans in the same street telling me that you're wrong, and I should get into their van and that only they offer me safe refuge.

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You have received such an offer:

https://www.openbible.info/topics/believe_in_the_name_of_jesus_and_be_saved

You, as is your right chose to not believe it. You are unconvinced, but that doesn't make it untrue or true. You have choices to make and it's your responsibility to make them, whatever they may be, but if God is real, when you stand before Him, you will have no excuse.

Faith in God is just that, faith. Personally, I can't imagine all awareness ceasing when I die. Time goes on and I believe we do to, so I take the concept of eternity very seriously.

It is written that whoever seeks God with all their heart, will find him.

https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/29-13.htm

Have you honestly tried this? Read the Bible with an open heart. What have you got to lose?

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>You have received such an offer:

>https://www.openbible.info/topics/believe_in_the_name_of_jesus_and_be_saved

Muslims claim much the same thing. Why should I care about their offer over yours? Why should someone in Nepal not just regard that as foreign literature irrelevant to their life? Are you going to seriously claim that a Muslim who commits themselves to their religion doesn't really want to be with a god? Many Muslims would say that you have been offered the truth too, but have rejected it. Why are they wrong, and you right?

>You, as is your right chose to not believe it. You are unconvinced, but that doesn't make it untrue or true.

Sure. I didn't say it did. But me being unconvinced means I am unconvinced. There is no malice. God sets up life to be a horrific death game of sorts, where we mostly live short lives, and those who don't believe the right way are ejected to hell to live in perpetual torment. A god that does this is a god not worth praise.

>You have choices to make and it's your responsibility to make them, whatever they may be, but if God is real, when you stand before Him, you will have no excuse.

I don't need an "excuse" for not believing in something. Thought crime is an evil concept.

>Faith in God is just that, faith. Personally, I can't imagine all awareness ceasing when I die. Time goes on and I believe we do to, so I take the concept of eternity very seriously.

I don't find faith to be a virtue.

>Have you honestly tried this? Read the Bible with an open heart. What have you got to lose?

Everything. Why should I not instead read the Qu'ran? Or research Baha'i, Zoroastarianism, Hinduism, Sikhism etc? What reason do I have to preference christianity?

I also find Christian morals, as you propose to be utterly repulsive on their own merits and that alone is enough for me to say non serviam. We are born sick, and commanded to be well - and anyone who dies without believing the right way is sent to a realm of torment for eternity.

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You should read the Qu'ran and the host of other religions to help you find the truth as you perceive it.

Like I said, you're free to do as you please. I've just been sharing my perspective. Do with it what you will.

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>You should read the Qu'ran and the host of other religions to help you find the truth as you perceive it.

And do you do that? If you don't, aren't you by your own logic taking a risk?

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I do. Obviously I haven't read everything but I am a seeker of truth. As a side note, I was raised in a household completely devoid of religion. I found my truth by being a seeker.

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No, you found something that convinced you. Plenty of people went on opposite paths to you, and were christians until they weren't.

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Like I said, my perspective. Do with it what you will.

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That sounds a lot like what the atheistic philosophy of Communism did.

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A good job I never defended communism, isn't it?

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Are you remorseful that all those atheists killed so many millions in the name of communism?

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Why should I be? It had nothing to do with me.

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But it had to do with atheistic philosophy which you prescribe to.

Or are you saying you don't feel any guilt and the Crusades are even less relevant to modern Christianity and Christians shouldn't feel guilt for them either? (The premise of the OP)

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>But it had to do with atheistic philosophy which you prescribe to.

I don't subscribe to an "atheistic philosophy". I simply don't believe in a god. That's it.

>Or are you saying you don't feel any guilt and the Crusades are even less relevant to modern Christianity and Christians shouldn't feel guilt for them either? (The premise of the OP)

I don't think modern christians should feel guilt over the crusades.

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It's dumb. Why does the "Common Era" begin at the same time that Christ was born? It makes no sense. The time of Christ and now is not "Common"...like at all.

If they wanted to bastardize the Gregorian Calendar properly, they could have come up with a different cutoff point. But they didn't. It's not a new concept whatsoever. It's just a lazy, lame ass rebrand by Godless losers.

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Quit your crying, Goober. I know the new calendar designation confuses you but since not everyone on the planet believes in your precious Jesus those changes were made. Deal with it. The rest of your post is bullshit.

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You do realize you kill your own credibility with all of your 6-year old insults, yes?

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reddit is a cesspool of losers, biggest losers on the internet....

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All I find them good for is snarking about Meghan Markle, cooing over guinea pigs, or talking video games. Anything else is too political/religious and toxic.

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If you want to really make them angry, point out the fact that they are cowardly bullies that are more than happy to go after us Christians because they know we won't fight back, but they don't dare go after really problematic religions like Islam or other death cults, because they know criticizing those religions would either get them killed or beaten up really bad. They also don't dare go after Judaism, because they'd get their asses sued for antisemitism, even at this point in history. Hell, many atheists are ex-Jews anyway, if Hollyweird is anything to go by.

They keep claiming they don't like "organized religion," but don't be fooled. They are little more than Christian-haters, particularly all the ones in the west. They resent the fact that Christianity had power over American culture for a long time, power that they secretly wanted and craved. They're also jealous that Christianity provided a more stable society in America in the past, whereas atheism doesn't provide anything like that.

And yeah, I brought up the communist/atheist "religion" killing more people than Christianity ever did, and got the same reaction: "ummm....duh....ah-hyuk--it's not the same as atheism!" So it appears intelligence doesn't factor in very well with atheists either. They can be science-savvy all they like, but practical and philosophical, they are not.

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>If you want to really make them angry, point out the fact that they are cowardly bullies that are more than happy to go after us Christians because they know we won't fight back, but they don't dare go after really problematic religions like Islam or other death cults, because they know criticizing those religions would either get them killed or beaten up really bad. They also don't dare go after Judaism, because they'd get their asses sued for antisemitism, even at this point in history. Hell, many atheists are ex-Jews anyway, if Hollyweird is anything to go by.

I am an atheist. I strongly dislike Islam.

Judaism like most religion is pretty awful too when fully realised, but it's also much smaller than Islam and Christianity. Cultural Jews that exist in USA aren't within the scope of this discussion.

>They keep claiming they don't like "organized religion," but don't be fooled. They are little more than Christian-haters, particularly all the ones in the west. They resent the fact that Christianity had power over American culture for a long time, power that they secretly wanted and craved. They're also jealous that Christianity provided a more stable society in America in the past, whereas atheism doesn't provide anything like that.

What power do I crave, as an atheist?

>And yeah, I brought up the communist/atheist "religion" killing more people than Christianity ever did, and got the same reaction: "ummm....duh....ah-hyuk--it's not the same as atheism!" So it appears intelligence doesn't factor in very well with atheists either. They can be science-savvy all they like, but practical and philosophical, they are not.

Communism is a political ideology. Atheism describes someone who doesn't believe in a god. That's it.

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