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That Scottish Hate Crime Bill...


Tried to cancel JK Rowling and potentially silence comedians. I'm surprised the IRA didn't form again.

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Nothing has happened yet. More people have tried to report Humza than JK Rowling.

And not sure what this would have to with the IRA.

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Skavau, straight in there defending this absurd Leftist authoritarianism.

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Where did I defend that there?

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Hatchling question

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I have at no point defended this law. How can it be a "hatchling" question to ask you about claims you're making about me? I've specifically in another thread, said this law is shit.

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Yet here you are trying to gaslight people into relaxing about it with ‘Nothing has happened yet’. You’re full of shit.

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Nothing has happened yet. I suspect the bill will mostly collapse under its own weight, and be quickly repealed or reformed when Humza leaves office - which he is likely to after the next UK general election, or at the latest - the next Scottish Parliament election (when the SNP seem likely to lose power).

JK Rowling already tested it, and nothing happened.

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That’s it, more gas…

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Giving you context of my position is "more gas"? What?

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Straw question

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So you're back to just replying like a little baby again.

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Shit insult

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You’re making it sound like it’s no big deal and people should not worry about a Western government’s vastly overbroad speech restrictions. Just be patient and your unalienable speech rights will eventually be returned to you. Hopefully when Humza leaves office.

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I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. It's not great, but it's not going to see thousands of people suddenly arrested.

Humza is a dead man walking, politically. He's very unpopular.

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This is like saying, “what’s the big deal if the cops stop and search you for no reason? It’s not necessarily going to lead to arrests.” I think you’re reacting like you’re on sedatives or something. Each step in this direction is closer to people being arrested or their lives destroyed because they said something that the government interpreted as hateful. You should imagine this power in the hands of the political party you don’t like and then see if you can say, “Oh well it’s not going to be that bad and maybe we’ll get our right to speech back in the future”

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We already have hate speech laws in the Uk. We've had them for some time.

This law is a joke and will likely collapse under its own weight. It's already being trolled as thousands of complaints are being made facetiously against Humza. And it's also not in the "power of the SNP" anyway.

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And thousands have been arrested in the UK over those shitty speech laws.

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I believe they have noncrime hate crime incidents. Someone reports you for a noncrime hate crime and it goes on your record. I also believe you might not even know about it. It can affect you if you're going for a job as you're potential employer can find out about it.

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And you, being a fascist scumbag want to pass laws to arrest LGBT people for expressing themselves. And no, gay people in TV shows or films is not the same as pedophilia before you trot out that line.

So I'll take zero lectures from you on civil liberties.

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They arrest and in some cases imprison people in the UK that speak out against child groomers and pedophiles that you are always defending.
And you hide your pretentious defense behind 'civil liberties'.

Everyone on this forum is already aware that you are one of them.

No one else defends them as zealously as you.

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>They arrest and in some cases imprison people in the UK that speak out against child groomers and pedophiles that you are always defending.

Name me a single person arrested for speaking out against groomers and pedophiles in the UK.

And no, I am NOT defending groomers or pedophiles. LGBT people are not inherently groomers or pedophiles. You are an anti-american, fascist piece of shit.

>Everyone on this forum is already aware that you are one of them.

No, they are not. You making shit up is not evidence. I will report this post from you to the moderators.

Provide evidence for your libellous claims.

>No one else defends them as zealously as you.

I have not defended pedophiles at any point. LGBT people are not inherently pedophiles.

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Well, you know what they did when England was involved... You'd think the people would be up in arms against this kind of dystopian censorship by their own people. They had a rioting not too long ago about the migrants flooding onto their island.

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Did we? When?

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Mr Yousaf told BBC Scotland News: "Those new offences that have been created by the act have a very high threshold for criminality.

"The behaviour has to be threatening or abusive and intends to stir up hatred.

"So it doesn't deal with people just being offended or upset or insulted."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68725547

What is hate crime?

Hate crime is behaviour which is both criminal and rooted in prejudice.

The legal definition of hate crime is "any crime which is understood by the victim or any other person as being motivated (wholly or partly) by malice or ill will towards a social group."
Which groups are covered?

The groups or ‘protected characteristics’ covered by the hate crime legislation are:

Age
Disability
Race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origins
Religion or belief
Sexual orientation
Transgender identity
Variations in sex characteristics

The person experiencing hate does not always need to be in one of these groups. We look at why the act or offence was committed and the perceptions of those involved.

Hate crimes can be verbal or physical and include:

threatening behaviour
verbal abuse or insults including name-calling
assaults
robbery
damage to property
encouraging others to commit hate crimes
harassment
online abuse on sites like Facebook or Twitter

If someone targets you, or someone else, because of a dislike or prejudice of your age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or variations in sex characteristics then you should report it.
https://www.scotland.police.uk/advice-and-information/hate-crime/what-is-hate-crime/

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You have to be a completely cucked people to criminalize "name calling".

And we know exactly what's going to go down. This law will be applied against white people. Oh sure, they'll give a slap on the wrist to the odd Paki just so they have plausible deniability, but in the main it will be white Scots who are persecuted under this statute.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68721208.amp

Over 3000 complaints against Yousaf for hate speech.

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From your link:

"Community Safety Minister Siobhian Brown said people were making "fake and vexatious complaints".

To be a crime it has to be threatening or abusive with the intent to a stir up hatred towards an individual, which would cause them to have fear or alarm.

Ms Brown described it as a "very, very high threshold for criminality".

She added: "We've been very clear within the act this is not about restricting freedom of expression, it is to protect.""

Do you believe the KKK burning a cross on someone's lawn or a swastika scrawled on a synagogue is freedom of speech or hate speech?

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>Community Safety Minister Siobhian Brown said people were making "fake and vexatious complaints".

Complaints of racism made by white people are not taken seriously. Maybe it's because white people can never be the victims of racism, right?

>Do you believe the KKK burning a cross on someone's lawn

Ah, the famous democratic party tradition. Does this still go on in the USA?

> or a swastika scrawled on a synagogue is freedom of speech or hate speech?

No different to seeing BLM propaganda in the streets.

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Racists complaining about a hate speech bill. So typical of you.

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Who are the racists here?

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Isn't it abusive in itself to say all those positions are taken by White people? It's liking being monitory, going to China and complaining they're all Chinese and need representation or some crap. Ireland is like 90%+ White. So it applies to individuals only and not a group of people?

That question at the end is obviously already a crime, a hate crime, so I dunno how this new law applies to that.

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The Scottish law protects:

Age
Disability
Race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origins
Religion or belief
Sexual orientation
Transgender identity
Variations in sex characteristics

Why are you focusing on race and only white people as perpetrators when the law protects many groups and anyone can be a perpetrator? 🤔

One important characteristic of a strong democracy is the protection of minority opinion and groups from persecution which is the reason for the Bill of Rights. If I am Jewish, gay, hate apple pie, or deaf then the majority won't persecute me for it.

In Scotland, France, Canada and other countries where this law exists, you can't incite a lynch mob to harm me like Trump incited violence against Asians nationwide when he blamed them for covid. Or the Tree of Life Synagogue massacre:

"Xenophobic panic over the migrant caravan found a target: Jews who helped resettle refugees."
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/29/18037580/pittsburgh-shooter-anti-semitism-racist-jewish-caravan

Public hate speech can and does incite violence, persecution, discrimination, etc..

re: China: Are you suggesting it's ok for China to persecute the Uyghurs because they're a minority?

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None of that is to protect white straight people.

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"The idea of conservatives being the real victims in any situation is difficult to maintain when they control all the levers of power. But actual facts play only the slightest role in the construction of this narrative. If you believe that Trump — a man born into wealth who spent a lifetime lying, cheating and staying one step ahead of the law — is a victim, then you’ll believe just about anything."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/29/how-trump-and-republicans-wield-the-politics-of-victimhood/

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Will you ever post anything that is not propaganda or lies?

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I can agree with some of those but not all of them. It'll be like them demanding you to address them in their roleplay and if you don't you can be arrested for harassment. I'm speaking in terms of if they're engaging with you. If you're walking up to them just to do that then that's bullying in a sense. If they can arrest someone for verbal abuse/insults then they better be doing it on those school bullies that I think some of us here have experienced as a kid.

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Its well meaning , but is vague and probably overreaching


A lot of the hoo hah is people just reading what they want into it and misunderstanding it and getting all hot under the collar.

stuff along the lines of "Now I cant say {xyz} In My Own Home!!! "

People have to realise that in the 21C "in your own home" doesent mean "behind closed doors" it means "broadcasting to the world on the internet"


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https://reason.com/volokh/2020/10/29/conversations-over-the-dinner-table-that-incite-hatred-must-be-prosecuted-the-justice-secretary-has-said/

No. That is not what Humza initially said regarding this law.

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ok , fine
The home is not some kind of "immunity from the law sanctuary"
You're not allowed to beat your wife in the home any more than beating up a fellow yob in the pub.

I'd say if hate speech is being broadcast in the home it should be dealt with.
It all comes down to if the people you have invited into your home want to take that direction i guess
Presumably he's not suggesting Big Brother microphones to enforce this?
so it will be up to other family members to decide if the speech is "too far"

I would imagine the situation of
a) white family reporting skinhead dad for teaching his kids "pakis be bad"
or b) indian family reporting fanatic father for teaching "death to the west"
is something would never happen unless in extreme circumstances where it needs to happen

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.his sounds dystopian already. The getting neighbors to report on other neighbors, to snitch to the government.

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I think the famous 1984 "snitch on your neighbours" thing is misunderstood .

Its bad in dystopian 1984 because of the crimes being encouraged to snitch on , not the snitching itself.

If whole communities came together to snitch on normal crimes that blight society , like drug dealing , drive by shootings , burglaries and actually throw the cops a bone instead of clamming up there'd be a lot less crime .

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Racist Law...it will only be used against the White population.

Scotland has suicided itself. What a bunch of idiots, smdh.

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When the tide turns, and it's coming, the people who promulgated laws like this, and the toadies who enforced and even voiced support for them, aren't going to know what hit them. They'll pine for the salad days of civilized protest like J6.

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Hate speech laws have existed in numerous countries like France and Canada for years without any issues.

No surprise that racists are upset about a hate speech law.

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This is Scotland today. Isn't it hate to call people Nazi scum? I'd say so but the cops don't look interested. Rangers v Celtic tomorrow so best free up some space in the jails.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1776599943202939023

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Some hat from the Scottish police. Very hateful to profile people based on age, gender, socio-economic background and race.

We know that young men aged 18-30 are most likely to commit hate crime, particularly those from socially excluded communities who are heavily influenced by their peers.

They may have deep-rooted feelings of being socially and economically disadvantaged, combined with ideas about white-male entitlement.


https://www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/campaigns/2023/hate-crime/

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"I'm surprised the IRA didn't form again."

🤣​...this thread just made it into my top 10 funniest. ☺

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