The illiberal poison of corporate leftism has so thoroughly infiltrated and destroyed so much of the West. Is it possible to fix it at this point? Anyone have any serious suggestions as to how it can be fixed?
(disingenuous bootlickers for the establishment--feel free to sit this one out)
People are coming around. There are a lot of young conservatives out there. This wasn't the case a few years ago.
shareThe Right have adapted the customs of the Palestinians to try to brainwash children into racist and fascist plutocracy. Fortunately the US is not such a closed abusive society so people who get educated question and grow out of racist and fascist plutocracy.
shareProvide empirical evidence supporting your claims.
shareThat was a great way to say something without saying anything. Where did you copy pasta that from or did AI create that for you?
shareHow has it "destroyed" so much of the west? What things, specifically, are you referring to?
shareStarting with the bootlicking, "corporations are people", industry-deregulation-wanting, republicans would be the obvious place to start...for anyone who is ACTUALLY serious and capable of being objective of course.
shareWhat part of corporations pushing wokism on the masses even at the risk of losing lots of money is republican?
share"pushing wokism" on the masses? Can you be specific here please? And how is this some existential threat to the west?
shareHe Mr. Evidence Please, here's an interesting article on how the woke Brown Shirts are shutting down free speech, destroying people's lives and careers and causing good, helpful and needed organizations to shut down because they're not "woke" enough.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/24/what-is-woke-culture-and-why-has-it-become-so-toxic
People being fired from their jobs, or losing contracts is not an attack on free speech. People have the right to free association. We can debate about the harms this might engender at scale, but it is not by definition a "free speech" issue as the government is not prosecuting people.
There's stupidity and hypocrisy from progressives *and* reactionaries. I never doubted that, but this article, *from Aljazeera, amusingly*. I doubt you'd endorse their coverage on the Israel-Palestine issue, isn't remotely an existential one.
I've never read another Aljazeera article in my life but I'm sure they're anti-Israel and they suck.
You asked for examples of how "woke" is destroying the west and I gave you one, after a two second Google search. Instead of being Mr. Evidence please, educate yourself first.
>I've never read another Aljazeera article in my life but I'm sure they're anti-Israel and they suck.
Yet you sourced them here after you googled "woke bad" to find some opinion piece. It's not much better than serving me up something from RT.
>You asked for examples of how "woke" is destroying the west and I gave you one, after a two second Google search. Instead of being Mr. Evidence please, educate yourself first.
None of these come anywhere close to "destroying the west".
Oh my, are you naive. Destruction doesn't come all at once. It's a slow erosion which is happening as we speak. Stuff like "the knockout game" are a byproduct of this erosion, just as general respect and courtesy are in slow decline.
A couple more for you:
https://anthropoetics.ucla.edu/views/747/
https://www.euronews.com/culture/2021/09/15/why-the-ideologies-behind-woke-and-cancel-culture-are-putting-our-democracy-in-jeopardy-vi
https://cne.news/article/2095-wokism-is-a-religion-without-forgiveness
>Oh my, are you naive. Destruction doesn't come all at once. It's a slow erosion which is happening as we speak. Stuff like "the knockout game" are a byproduct of this erosion, just as general respect and courtesy are in slow decline.
You haven't really given any good reason to think that this is "eroding" western culture. Culture changes naturally. This is normal. But how will this "destroy" the west? What is it you think is going to happen?
>https://anthropoetics.ucla.edu/views/747/
An opinion piece.
Here's some other opinion pieces:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/project-2025
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/lgbtq-americans-are-under-attack-human-rights-campaign-declares-in-state-of-emergency-warning
What's the difference here?
Of course they're opinion pieces. What other way could they illustrate something like this? Peoples opinions. There is an enormous outcry about wokism, so it is valid to say that MANY people feel that it is destroying the west and I provided evidence of it being true. If you don't think it's wrong for people to lose their jobs/livelyhoods/businesses because they expressed their opinion (often outside of the workplace) then I don't know what to say to you other than if enough people feel that way, one day you'll wake up in chains.
As an aside, I don't think that LGBTEtc people are wrong for wanting equal rights and I don't think it's a "woke" cause.
> If you don't think it's wrong for people to lose their jobs/livelyhoods/businesses because they expressed their opinion (often outside of the workplace) then I don't know what to say to you other than if enough people feel that way, one day you'll wake up in chains.
I didn't say I did necessarily support that. My opinion on it is that it varies depending on what was said, their company role etc. I said it was not a free speech issue, by definition - as free speech is about government arresting, fining people for what they say.
>As an aside, I don't think that LGBTEtc people are wrong for wanting equal rights and I don't think it's a "woke" cause.
Then we're talking about something narrower here. I submit that the Christian reactionary movement in the USA is as much a threat, if not more a threat to western culture as the worst excesses of 'wokism'.
Evidence please.
sharehttps://www.commondreams.org/news/project-2025
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/lgbtq-americans-are-under-attack-human-rights-campaign-declares-in-state-of-emergency-warning
As I would assume your response would be: Opinion pieces from left wing sites.
shareRight, so we're at an impasse. Why should I view 'wokism' as more of a threat than Christian nationalism? Although my articles citate and refer to literal roadmaps to implement reactionary policies.
shareYou should view it as such because it's painfully obvious.
Quit whinging about "evidence". You reject any and all evidence that goes against your far left ideology.
>You should view it as such because it's painfully obvious.
No, it's not.
>Quit whinging about "evidence". You reject any and all evidence that goes against your far left ideology.
I haven't "rejected" your articles. I've queried whether or not they represent an existential threat to the western world, as is implied by this thread.
And I will do whatever the fuck I like, and without your permission.
Sorry, but yes it is. Your ideology is self destructive, amoral and just plain wrong.
shareThat's just an assertion. No evidence or argumentation presented.
And what makes you think it's "my" ideology?
From your posts.
shareCan you be more specific please?
Citate what you are referring to.
You know who and what you are and what you post.
shareI know what I post. I am asking for you to show me how I am supposedly "woke" based on my content.
shareI don't have to convince you of your ideology. You know it full well.
shareTell me my "ideology". I know what I post. I am asking for you to show me how I am supposedly "woke" based on my content
Better yet, set the record straight an you tell ME your ideology. Show me I'm wrong about you.
shareNo. That's too much to condense into a single response. What assumptions do you make about what I think? Say them and I'll respond and correct where appropriate.
shareIf you don't want to state your ideology, don't complain about people making assumptions.
shareShould I assume you are a christofascist because of your complaining about 'wokeism' or leftism?
I do consider myself broadly on the left - being liberal on social issues but supportive of government intervention to stop runaway capitalism, but also a liberal hawk, generally supportive of US de facto global hegenomy. I think many aspects of 'wokism' can be cringe, but they aren't some existential threat.
I'm sure you already do, but there are woke Christians too and I don't believe in suppressing "woke", so you'd be wrong about that assumption. I believe that people will eventually see (and are seeing) "woke" and leftism for what they are. That is how change should come about.
shareWhat is "leftism" for what it is, exactly?
shareRaise taxes on corporations?
sharewtf is "poison of corporate leftism" (google doesent know) and what problems has it caused ?
wait , are you just moaning about perceived woke again ?
Can the West recover?
All this foolishness has been around for a looooooong fucking time https://youtu.be/o-00OWb560M Note the year this was filmed in. It will never go away entirely, but I do look forward to a day where both Woke Shit and(on the other end of the continuum)all of this Red Pill nonsense is less pervasive