It's faithful to his campaign promises. If Trump wanted to "distract" from the Dems' insane impeachment push he wouldn't be constantly talking about it. Don't believe your own side's delusional echo chamber nonsense. I've been critical of Trump's decision, it's basically repeating Obama's mistake but on a smaller scale, but it doesn't make me or likely any Trump supporters less likely to vote for his reelection because he's been very good on balance and there's no viable alternative. The leading Democrats are literally pushing to dissolve the USA's borders, scrap all private healthcare plans, wage a war against fossil fuel energy that could cause a new dark age, impose tax hikes including racial taxes ("reparations"), aggressively restrict free speech and freedom of religion to appease fringe special interest groups, nominate activist judges, give felons and illegal aliens the right to vote, roll back gun rights, and turn the USA into a permanent leftist nation. Trump must win reelection or that's likely all she wrote, at least for the union as currently constituted.
Since I answered let me ask you a question: Were you critical of Obama when he withdrew from Iraq?
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[deleted]
5 years ago
Thank you for your reply. To clarify, I’m not a Democrat.
I believe allied forces were sent to Iraq in 2003 under false pretences so yes I agreed with the decision to withdraw. If you are asking if I blindly supported every decision made by the Obama administration, no I did not.
My question was honest and based on not believing media reports that this decision could be catastrophic for Trump’s support. You confirmed I was right to question, so thank you again.
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Your claim about 2003 is debatable and, while predictable (I almost preemptively addressed it), doesn't speak to the 2011 decision to withdraw. It's quite possible to have opposed the 2003 invasion at the time or in retrospect, and yet still view Obama's 2011 withdrawal as a mistake once we were at that point in those circumstances after the success of Bush's surge and the military warning of dire consequences if the US and its stabilizing presence withdrew. In fact it's very similar to Trump's decision to withdraw from Northern Syria.
But you answered my question. You supported Obama's decision to withdraw from Iraq, as I suspected you probably did. So I appreciate your honesty on that score. For the record I was critical of Obama AND Trump, and have maintained a consistent position. I think if you looked you'd find that few or no Trump supporters agree with "each and every decision" he's made. If his support appears unwavering, it has more to do with Democrats making themselves unelectable to traditional Americans, particularly those typical of the Heartland.
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[deleted]
5 years ago
Can I just make one small suggestion, perhaps try not to be as caustically condescending when someone engages in a conversation with you. We can talk about this without you trying to elevate your own opinion by looking down your nose with phrases such as "predictable" (which your views could NEVER be accused of being I'm sure) and "I almost preemptively address it". You asked me a rhetorical question in light of my original post just so you could say "I knew it all along". That doesn't make you seem clever, just a little high maintenance and bitchy.
I find the devotion to Trump interesting and a force seemingly stronger than logic and reason at times. The amount of outrageous statements, endless inflammatory tweets and questionable ethical behaviour that is overlooked, accepted or even praised by intelligent people fascinates me. That's honestly why I wanted to know if something that is generally regarded by all world leaders and political commentators from both sides as a potentially catastrophic error of judgement is something that gives supporters pause for thought. I suppose only time will tell, I just wanted to get a feel of how you guys are reacting to it.
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Sure, nothing condescending or bitchy at all about lines like "those who have stood by Trump and every decision he has made" or "I find the devotion to Trump interesting and a force seemingly stronger than logic and reason at times", LOL.
If I might make a small suggestion, stop trying to play posturing games. You aren't good at it and even if you were it wouldn't be substantively productive. At best you'd be manipulating people into agreeing with you through trickery. Assuming you have some scruples you shouldn't want that.
Be straightforward and honest about your own views and engage in truly good faith discussions with a fair and open mind. Asking Trump supporters what they thought of the Syrian thing and whether it might cause them to not support him, sans the other stuff, is perfectly fine. I answered that question and added other substance.
My question about whether you criticized Obama's withdrawal from Iraq was certainly legitimate too. I'm sincerely fascinated by people who suddenly sound a lot like I did back in 2011, and I'm wondering how many of them sounded like that when "their" president was in the White House. Your answer certainly underscores the validity of my question.
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[deleted]
5 years ago
Ok, I get it, you don't like me or what I say. Thank you again for your words.
I'd still be interested to hear other people's thoughts.
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Sure I like you, bananaman. I think you're terrific.
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[deleted]
5 years ago
oh obviously! As long as I don't unsuccessfully try to posture (I'm not good at it) or trick people into agreeing with me, or heaven forbid make a joke (because I'm not funny and should not consider stand-up comedy as a career). I pity people you find less terrific.
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Wait...I'm starting to think your comments about me supposedly being "caustically condescending", "bitchy", "defensive", "grumpy", and "trying to elevate (my) own opinion" by "looking down (my) nose" at others' means you don't like me. Oh well.
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ultravioletx (10216)
5 years ago
I know your thread wasn't for me as I'm not a Trump supporter, but this whole mess with the Kurds is an example of Trump wagging the dog to take eyes away from his Ukraine call. Its unfortunate that a president would turn against allies to do it but that is the current state of panic this white house is in.
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
So sick, some of those stories. All those dead men, women and CHILDREN...all because of a fat, orange slob and his ego.
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
Welcome to krl97a. Allow me to get you up to speed on this poster: he's your typical online Trumper: hostile, trolling, argumentative, strawman extraordinaire, gaslighting clown.
You canNOT properly debate with the clown squad around here. It will always turn into deflection tactics, spin and strawman.
They will take your words out context, spin everything you say and try to gaslight every topic of yours. It's what they do.
See, Donald spends his entire presidency engaging in smoke and mirrors. Naturally, it stands to chance that his main supporter base would defend him with similar smoke and mirrors methods. It's what they do.
You presented a perfectly-reasoned post and look how he systematically derailed the entire thing almost immediately and then turning your (natural) response of bewilderment against you. This guy will lie and claim he's not a biased Trump supporter. He'll call posters like me a "troll" and claim he's "just out to stop the Trump-hating trolls" and yet--look what he did to you and your thread. Took a big, steaming dump on your well-reasoned, rational thread.
Now you're acquainted with one of the members of the Clown Squad. Welcome to the Politics board of Moviechat. Now that you know what you're up against, join the rest of us sane posters in pointing and laughing at the Clown Squad. :)
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
dteam6 (about Trump and Mitch McConnell): "Try again to defend the Antichrist and his False Prophet."
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5da4ef04dd5dc664819d7d9c/MoscowMitch-has-250-bills-waiting-on-his-desk?reply=5da5df94dd5dc664819d83f8
That was just three hours before the BS you posted here about "sanity", "lying", and trolling, you clown.
But I seriously would like to get bananaman's opinion of your support for the push to have the government officially declare the NRA a "terrorist organization". No smoke or mirrors. Just curious what his take on that is.
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
Thank you very much for making my point. :)
Bananaman? That's classic krl97a right there. He does this a lot.
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Quote your own words and support my claims with linked evidence, lol? I have done that a lot, but it hardly makes your point so much as undermines it.
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
Krl97a, you literally do all the work for me. I need only to sit back and allow others to observe your behavior. :)
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. I basically just cited your own comments so honest people can observe your behavior.
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
Not one single reputable poster of good character has ever said anything against me. I'm feeling pretty confident from where I'm sitting. :)
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, lol.
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
I guess we will, krl97a. :)
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
Of course I won't try to criminalize your disagreement or endorse government moves to declare you a "terrorist" for it, me being a supporter of freedom and all. The freedom to speak openly and disagree with people in the arena of ideas is the cornerstone of our democracy.
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[deleted]
5 years ago
Of course I won't try to criminalize your disagreement or endorse government moves to declare you a "terrorist" for it, me being a supporter of freedom and all.
How humble of you!
#NarcissisticPersonalityDisorder
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
LOL! You of all people being his chief defender isn't doing him any favors, doggiedaddy.
"reputable poster of good character"?
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[deleted]
5 years ago
Wrong once again...I wasn't defending him at all.
I was commenting on your supposed act of humbleness.
It's hard for a Narcissist like you not "to criminalize your disagreement or endorse government moves to declare you a "terrorist" "... but you did say you'd 'try'.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
(Sorry - I tried so hard to stifle a laugh, but I just couldn't keep it in.)
#NarcissisticPersonalityDisorder
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
"Humbleness"? More like illustrating a contrast with his support for San Francisco's edict labeling the NRA a "terrorist organization", that context being obvious to any at least reasonably intelligent person reading the thread, but I'm not surprised it went over your head.
Poor doggie.
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
Kid...not one--not ONE--poster around here outside you ""Trumpers"" has addressed that issue with me. Not one. Why? Because no one cares. Everyone either knows the context of what I meant or simple already knows the type of bs and gaslighting you spew with every post.
You have no credibility around here. If you did, people might take your posts seriously. :)
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dteam6 (5073)
5 years ago
Not one single poster outside this small group of ""Trumpers"" (sorry, I'm not buying it. I think they're just trolls--not real Trumpers) has called me out on the NRA thing. Any normal person knows what I meant and what the context of it meant.
To be honest, I find it adorable that he keeps throwing it around as if it's some damning statement or something. No one is bringing it up. No one cares beyond him and the other fake-Trumpers here.
I miss IMDB. Remember the good old days when they tried harder than this?
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
LOL! So basically you dismiss all the posters who rightly criticize you for that or anything else as "trolls", and you can't even be bothered with making a substantive argument.
Again, you're making my point for me. :)
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[deleted]
5 years ago
You're kidding right?
If I thought for one moment that you were looking for anything other than another opportunity to belittle my every word I might be tempted to converse. Even then, I certainly wouldn't be drawn into a conversation I had no prior knowledge of. Who cares what I think of dteam's post? It's hardly relevant to my original question.
So thanks anyway, but this light has plenty of gas already.
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krl97a (5619)
5 years ago
I would ask what your own stance on San Francisco's move is if we were having a conversation, but since you made it clear we aren't...um...while you were conversing with me.... I guess I won't. Maybe another time.
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