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I agree with you, it doesn't matter. But I'm still curious about what was the thinking behind such an out of character episode, why did they feel so sorry about these 4 that they had to punish them with this turn of events. It's as if friends ended with Joey finally becoming a priest, or Monica turning black to make amends for the shortcomings of the show in addressing diversity or important religious topics, wtf...
For some reason I was sure that Seinfeld last episode ended with them leaving a subway train and splitting, going in different directions to mind their business, like nothing really important was happening.
I don't remember which episode this image came from, but it makes a better end for sure.
Strntz and TandyMan, you both make good points.
I agree that the sub could have been on surface level the whole trip, it makes sense, maybe they could have explained it outloud in the movie. But I guess that would have looked like trying to iron out a plot hole, which brings us to TandyMan's observation: they handled it in a low key way, which was definitely the way to go.
PS:
"The Fridge is very much a centerpiece of absurdity", that's a genius phrase right there, thanks man!
Actually, Alien is legendary thanks to Giger and equally important the awesome sequel by Cameron. If Aliens was as bad as any of the other sequels, there would be no series.
Kinda like terminator, it's an even better movie than Alien, but without T2 we wouldn't have a series.
Nobody asked you, Bitch!
The "Jesse Pinkman Show" would just be pathetic, enough with the spinoffs already.
What would be awesome is Breaking Good, a REAL SEQUEL to the first one:
Walter Jr. is folowing the footsteps of his beloved uncle in DEA investigation (he's a detective, not a shooter). His disabilities make him a modern sherlock holmes: he uses logic and intuition to find the culprit, not bullets.
To help her mother who is 300.000 in debt with the new Gus, Holly finds out the truth about his late father, and decides to trace back his ex partner Jesse Pinkman to rebuild the drug empire.
Jesse is reluctant at first, but later joins her to save her from the bad guys.
So it's the same premise, only with different outcome once the story develops (like, walter jr is not as dull as Hank, and traces his sister pretty quickly, not after 5 seasons, or something else brilliant from the writer:-)
That's a show I wanna watch!
Again, spot on analysis.
You forgot Kylo, Snook, Luke, Leia.
This feels like a knockoff of Star Wars, not that the prequels were good but this sequel trilogy feels like the gobot version of the original, or like Alladin 2 or any other Disney sequel: something done by people that didn't really get the spirit, but liked the concept of "space wizards and battles".
Spot on analysis of what's happening in her story.
If you notice, a similar sketchyness plagues every character in the movies: they all are "weird" (badly written). Somebody might say that they are original, so they don't fit into these classic categories, but like you point out, instead of opening new possibilities, they end up having all the drawbacks and none of the strenghts of each model they are mashing.
Even the old characters are a sketchy version of their established version, they have new abilities or weaknesses that don't fit in their old and well known version.
So, clearly, these are not properly developed sequels to a beloved story, but they are executive drivel churned out to move ahead Disney commercial scheme.
Yes, your list of characters is precisely what this movie is about, and what it should have focused on, if only it took itself seriously.
Instead, it strides on tokens and merchandising.
Wow, I didn't know that...certainly some great input from Yen, he should be credited as a co-writer, I guess Rogue One had a better director/less controlling producer.
I wish the actress playing Rose had that same talent, maybe she could have improved her atrocious storyline.
Yes, Asian characters (not tokens) actually fit very well the narrative of SW.
Like I said in the OP, Rogue One is a fine example of this: Chirrut is f'in awesome!
Chirrut:I am one with the force, the force is with me. (Epic!)
Rose: I am one with the farce, the farce is with all you suckas watching this 2h30min toy commercial.
Oops, my bad! For a moment I thought her parents were from Stockholm, seriously!
Pretty sure Vietnamese still qualify as "asian".
Ok but there are many projects made on the will of their stars to do it, it's not just a budget analisys by some accountant. In this case, I named Weir and Crowe because they are the stars of this project, what are they waiting for?
Just add another big name as an antagonist and we're set for shooting.
Doesn't have to cost 200 mil, just get some good writer to make a good script from the other books. And please, make a TRUE sequel, not #2 in a trilogy, who needs that?
PS: I know for a fact that shooting on water is hell, so maybe they had their bad experience and wish not to repeat it. I haven't read anything from the backstage of M&C, I don't know if they loved it or hated it, maybe that's the real reason.
Although, judging from the awesome result, they all loved it and acted as a real crew in the sea!
Thanks Soren, glad to know I'm not seeing things...
So a central character behaving completely irrationally and opposite to his personality just to move the plot forward is not a plot hole? What do you call it, clever writing?
Bump...did everybody else miss this blatant plot hole in the "best" beast picture of the year?
Yes, that scene with the raft is also over the top.
But now that you point this one out too, I think I have an answer to my original question:
the real difference that every Indy fan sees, between nuking the fridge and every other Indy over the top stunt, is this: nuking a fridge is NOT a stunt.
All the other moments are stunts. Which beautifully fits with the core element of the series: awesome stunts and action sequences. Jumping off a plane and landing a raft with the right angle and speed to bounce off the snow, is a stunt; so is riding a sub (assuming that sub never went underwater, of course), etc, they all reaquire phisical skills and timing to be pulled off.
Surviving a nuclear explosion inside a fridge is not a stunt, it's magic.
And Indy is not a magician.
Correctamundo!
I think the idea is just to retell (cough-ripoff-cough) the beauty and the beast story in a different setting. The big problem I had with it, like you have pointed out, is that the love story is borderline bestiality: he doesn't speak at all, but he's not mute, he doesn't communicate intelligently in any way.
At least not on a human level of expression. My dog communicates better than him, and I wouldn't f*** her even if she's super cute!
He copies her gestures, doesn't form sentences and behaves like a wild beast from start to finish.
So, yeah, since he's lowered to a beast level, it's a magical romantic story of bestiality.
Yeah your reconstruction makes sense, Odenkirk must have vouced for a bunch of ex cast members, his partner Cross with the toupee was so superfluous, it could have been just anybody playing that role.
BTW, why get Odenkirk to play an old man, I have no idea, he was totally wasted playing such a low key character.
Indeed, that's a clear indication of timeless quality: the oscars...
I'm afraid you didn't miss anything, you saw what most people saw too: stupidity kicking in.