The remnant bases are set up by ex-ISB (Imperial Security Bureau ). His genetic signature just had to show up. Since Mando has been off grid all his life, heck never even heard of the empire or believed it existed any longer until he got involved in all this, his genetic signature wouldn't trip any alarms. https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a34941836/what-is-isb-the-mandalorian-star-wars/
shareMakes NO sense.
So if I go up to a police department, as long as there is no warrant for me, I am allowed to login in their system and access the most secure information just as a nobody???
Nope, not buying it. SPECIALLY for a branch fucking called "Security Bureau".
Plus: if he was off the grid all life his genetic signature is not even in the system, is not recognizable.
Being a remnant of the Empire, effectively an underground cell, they wouldn't have access to any master records that may have existed during the Imperial Era. In the US for example a police station (because they're part of the official government) can consult NCIC and other databases maintained in Washington. If the government were overthrown and a new order established, except for some isolated small towns that flew under the radar, police in those "rebel" towns would have no more access to federal resources.
Whatever survives of some comprehensive database containing the faces and/or genetic profiles of all Imperial officers and troopers would not be available anymore. It was probably located on Coruscant, now controlled by the Republic, so even someone like Moff Gideon wouldn't be able to get into it.
If your own personnel stayed put and weren't being rotated in and out from other locations you could build a local database. But the need for communication silence to hide your installations would preclude multi-world networks. So if troopers are coming and going you'd rely solely on physical security (and things like the key Mando stole in his previous raid) to protect access. Who other than your own people are going to be using a terminal in the officers' mess of your base anyway? It's not like random civilians are strolling through that place. I think the facial scan was just to create a record of who accessed what, in case it's ever needed, not as a security measure to grant or deny access in the first place.
again, i just don't buy it, you're just trying to rationalize a pretty big mistake.
shareNo, I'm in network security myself. You'd be shocked how many companies whose main commodity is their data don't have adequate backups, issue group passwords, are running badly out of date software with major vulnerabilities, are lax in enforcing security protocols, and so on.
Even defense contractors and government agencies can be remarkably sloppy. You'd probably expect them to have facial recognition and biometrics fully deployed at places like that, right? Nope. Well, some facilities do. That's another thing, companies often have discrepancies from one location to another in how they secure their systems. That means there are weak links. Go to one of the smaller offices and you might be able to slip past the front desk and go access a terminal without anyone questioning you. Yeah they may eventually go back to old footage and spot you on their security cameras, but it's way too late by then.
As for the military ... often bogged down by rules and regs, if no superior officer explicitly orders their subordinates to do something it doesn't happen. It's like the old joke "Why didn't you tell me about this?", "You didn't ask." There have been some pretty unbelievable lapses involving nuclear weapons. Which should never, ever happen! It doesn't surprise me that the Chinese and the Russians have been able to penetrate classified servers. We make it too easy by not investing in the security infrastructure we need. So the incompetence of the fragmented pieces of the Empire isn't exactly far fetched.
expired passwords is one thing. no security check AT all is a totally different.
Plus: what is the purpose of a facial scan at all, if it's useless??
Just to force Mando to take his helmet off? Purely plot device and nothing more.
Well there's that part too, but I think the facial scan is just a way of creating an access log so they have a record of who's done what on the system if they ever need it. Considering how disorganized the rest of their operation is, losing all their mine transports to local insurgents, it doesn't seem like that location is well supplied or terribly critical in the larger scheme of things.
Based on my own experience I can overlook the slight implausibility of such easy access. But tell me, who trains stormtroopers? They shoot like they're all drunk. Can't hit a target when it's ten feet away. And what about their armor? At least Mando's beskar is good armor, it's practically impervious to small arms fire. But those white suits and helmets offer about as much protection as jeans and a T-shirt. Why do they even bother putting them on? 😳
Anyone who bothers to log who accesses the data and audit that would have some sort of access log as well.
In my experience audit comes after implementing any form of security ...
Stormtroopers are shitty shooters by design and their armor is more like an uniform than an armor ;)
Remember too that Mayfeld prepped a flash drive with, I presume, full security codes like the ones that fooled Admiral Piett in RoTJ
So I took the facial scan as the equivalent of a Captcha interface - something to ensure that whoever is using the codes isn't a droid or non-human alien
EDIT: Just noticed that thomas998 already posted the "Captcha" argument below
It is possible that the security check was not really a security check but rather just a system to verify it was a human and which would then likely simply be taking a photo of whoever was accessing the system. You know like when you go pick up your kid from elementary school and have to get a photo ID made before you can go into the school to get your kid, they aren't checking anything and are really just making a record of who was there.
shareActually they do check if you are in the system. That's the point of making the ID, so you are in the system. Without the photo ID you cannot get in.
If there is information sensitive enough to record who accessed it then it is sensitive enough to control the access to it.
There are plenty of companies where hundreds of employees have access to a database, but each user account records a log of their activity in case it needs to be reviewed later for some reason. Most of the time that data is never looked at by human eyes. Although certain suspicious activity may still be flagged in real time. Like you may be allowed to copy data to an external device, but if you're harvesting large amounts of it - more than anyone's job is likely to require - that gets their attention.
Maybe that terminal simply does the scan to create an image of the person using it, so they can log their activity. Any future use would go in that same file. Without access to a central Imperial service database they're just going with the assumption that only their own people can physically access the terminal. If Mando decided to download a lot of data, like the locations of many other operational Empire bases, or all the surviving ships of the fleet, that might trip an alarm.
Maybe all he did was indicate he needed to transmit a report to Moff Gideon and the machine loaded a communication app which indicated that one ship's location. Or gave him certain comm protocols which would allow him to track the ship down later (and also transmit his message). An access like that would be routine and go unnoticed - at least until after he shot his way out of the mess hall and blew up the truck bay. If the computer network wasn't fragged in the explosion they'd review that facial scan. Mando probably shouldn't take off his helmet inside another Imperial base!
again, no outsider would get access to that kind of system.
to log who accessed the data first you need to have a record of that person. anyone that's not in the system should trigger an alarm.
no, you don't need the location to send a message. you don't need to know the location of your friend to send him a text message.
"but each user account records a log of their activity in case it needs to be reviewed later for some reason" exactly: it NEEDS a user account, so are u implying that mando had an user account?
you are just trying to rationalize and excuse a very poorly situation, typical for a fanatical.
at best is quite a huge error ...
What I keep trying to tell you is, companies (and not always small ones) are often lax, or very strict in some areas while allowing obvious weak links that defeat the whole purpose.
In a facility where only their own people would ever be, and lacking access to an offworld database of all Imperial personnel, the local network might simply establish a biometric user account for each new user and log all data access. If there's ever a discrepancy or apparent breach they can go back and use those logs to narrow down who needs to be brought in and questioned. To a combat officer this might seem like perfectly adequate security.
Yeah if it was me, I'd have each new trooper who arrived there scanned immediately, face and DNA, so no unauthorized user could get into the system (however unlikely such a thing might be) and no one could use a high level access key they shouldn't have without tripping an alarm. But lapses in security are not necessarily indications of poor writing. Real world institutions are often guilty of worse, including large government agencies. We can't even get many of our clients to back up their data regularly no matter how many times we pester them about it.
Or look at it this way: if they had secured their systems properly and responded promptly Mando would be dead and the series would be over. So these guys had to be lax.
"Or look at it this way: if they had secured their systems properly and responded promptly Mando would be dead and the series would be over. So these guys had to be lax."
Or they were too lazy to try and figure a better way. Bad, bad writing.
And as a plus: the officer bothered to ask for his TK number, but the system didn't try to associate his face with ... anything.
Again, i don't care how much try to interpret it, it's just purely bad writing ...
Did you not pay attention to the dialog? It was to ensure that no one was Rebel, Republic, or registered as a non-Imperial could access the terminals.
It was more like, "Here's who we don't want accessing this data" rather than "Here are the only people who can access the data". It was probably easier that way since Stormtroopers were expendable and came a dime a dozen and dropped dead more often than a honey-dipped fly on an electric insect catcher during a Louisiana summer.
And i'm saying that was bad writing.
Even though Stormtroopers dropped like flies registering them in the system takes literally 1 minute.
"registered as a non-Imperial could access the terminals" that leaves the door open way too much. , much easier and safer to verify that the individual is imperial. Again: even the officer CLEARLY wanted to know who Mando was ...
Plus: such system that has info n where every ship is in not local, is global. Saying that they had, globally, zero security IS bad writing.
Even though Stormtroopers dropped like flies registering them in the system takes literally 1 minute.
Are you even reading what you're writing???
"is much simpler than actually inputting and updating a system that catalogs everyone registered with the Empire."???
Everyone REGISTERED with the empire? What do you think that happens with those REGISTERED? Exactly, they go into the database.
And ... how illogical is to check against "a database of Rebels/Outlaws/Bandits/etc" when most probably MOST of those are either unknown either they never had their face or genetics recorded. Just like Mando ...
"Oh, i have no idea who the fuck you are but because you are not among these 20 people that i know that they are bad I will give you access to ALL my information".
Big LOL. I don't think that even the empire SECURITY bureau is so inept and retarded. Because if they are and they are THE GALACTIC empire means that all the others are even more retarded ...
Everyone REGISTERED with the empire? What do you think that happens with those REGISTERED? Exactly, they go into the database.
And ... how illogical is to check against "a database of Rebels/Outlaws/Bandits/etc" when most probably MOST of those are either unknown either they never had their face or genetics recorded. Just like Mando ...
Big LOL. I don't think that even the empire SECURITY bureau is so inept and retarded.
So... do you think Mando was taking a huge risk, basically hoping that his records would still be there years after he'd resigned, deserted, retired, been demobbed, or just wandered off when the imperial power structures collapsed? Because that's what it sounds like, from what you're saying. Because it was either a massive gamble, or he still has (or recently has had) an official role with the remnant Empire. Maybe he's still on the books as a soldier, reserve member, or independent contractor with decent security clearances, who is willing to do some bounty hunting for them.
And if it's the last, I don't see why he wouldn't do the odd job for the bad guys, if they pay him enough money to benefit the foundlings.
Mando was never part of the Empire. His friend was though. Moff Gideon only knew Mando's name because he had access to a database stolen from Mandalore. They probably have no idea what he looks like, since this was literally the first time in his adult life he's removed his helmet in front of another living being. If the computer network wasn't completely wrecked in the explosion, they're going to know his face now!
It just seems like their network has rudimentary security. They haven't gone to the trouble of making user accounts for everyone, and ensuring that a low level flunky can't just steal a high ranking officer's special access key and use it. The Empire is notoriously inept though. Their bases and ships not hard to infiltrate, their planet destroying battle stations equipped with an instant destruct spot you only have to shoot once. We shouldn't be too surprised.
But you know, I've seen real life clients do things that made it hard to stop myself from facepalming right in front of them. Folks you'd think would be smart enough to know better!
Crap security that would let a total stranger with no record have access to secure files is one possibility, but I hardly think it's a primary one.
Another possibility is that Mando actually IS in their files, as a former officer or a subcontractor with a security clearance, which is possible for a bounty hunter. The Empire hired bounty hunters back in the day, after all. And maybe he went all in, left the fold when he was younger and ran around without a helmet, and he's spent the last few years as a rigid follower of Thisistheway because he feels guilty about his past? Well, we'll find out, but unless the scene was a total throwaway with no deeper meaning intended, it raises all sorts of intriguing possibilities.
We know he was a foundling and grew up in the coverts. It's likely he did the odd job for the Empire while he worked for The Guild, and they were still in power. In fact doing some off-the-books dirty work for them was probably the only way The Guild would be allowed to operate under Imperial rule. But unless he lied about never removing his helmet to the Armorer (which I doubt) his face wouldn't have been on record.
shareIt's possible that to a Mandalorian, allowing your face to be 3D imaged by a machine which is not alive is okay, or that Mando thought it was okay when he was young and foolish. it's also highly likely that he did bounty hunting for Imperial officials at some point, we've all seen them hire Mandalorian bounty hunters, and not requiring them to take off their helmets, and that may at some point have gotten him a security clearance.
Oh well, we can only speculate, and I hope this scene was meant to be a great big clue to something, and not just something they threw in without thinking out the continuity. I had enough of that on the last season of "Game of Thrones".
It doesn't have to make sense. It is fiction. Remember this isn't the Earth Universe, it is the Star Wars Universe and if they say only people the ISB are looking for will show up on their genetic signatures and trip alarms then only people that they are looking for will have genetic signatures that will trip alarms. It's what they said. Go back and watch it.
shareIt's not just fiction, it's bad fiction :p.
shareIf it entertains as many people as it does, it's good fiction. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is fiction also. Is that bad too? Both have stood the test of decades of time.
share"Both have stood the test of decades of time."
Right, that episode stood the test of decades of time ... in less than a week ... the tenet page is that way ...
You said "it's bad fiction". Star Wars and particularly the Mandolorian has probably garnered almost a billion fans in countries spanning the globe. That's not "bad" by any means. Some are even saying Mandalorian is better than the last two decades of Star Wars. You don't have a leg to stand on here.
shareThat particular aspect is bad fiction. I didn't say that the whole thing is bad fiction.
Although the sequels are as bad fiction. So, again, not "decades" since the last movies are "meh" at best.
Again: the Mandalorian is not "decades" old.
Dude, it's not bad fiction. In fact that makes it more exciting because every little kid watching this knows they could hack an imperial base if they felt like it. It's like saying Santa is bad fiction because it doesn't make sense to my Marvin-the-Martian-like brain. It has been explained to you. Get over it. and get yourself checked to see if you're an aspie.
OMG the Star Wars saga, that you called "bad fiction", is 44 years old. That's decades.
And actually it might be a nod to non-fiction. Check this out.
I'm going by what they said in the dialogue, that the system is only set up to trip an alarm based on who they know is rebel or republic, not who they don't know. It's just a mining camp. It's not that serious. Remember our own US military was sharing self incriminating intel to vague out of the way army bases network wide.
Perhaps this was a nod to that kind of lackadaisical security within the US military.
From Wikipedia -
On January 5, 2010, Manning, downloaded the 400,000 documents that became known as the Iraq War logs from the Forward Operating Base Hammer, near Baghdad, after arriving in October 2009. From her workstation there, she had access to SIPRNet (the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network) and JWICS (the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System). On January 8, she downloaded 91,000 documents from the Afghanistan database, known later as part of the Afghan War logs. She saved the material on CD-RW and smuggled it through security by labeling the CD-RW media
Poor excuse.
share"Plus: if he was off the grid all life his genetic signature is not even in the system, is not recognizable. "
Exactly, so his facial scan wouldn't trip any alarms.
It scanned his face, and presumably it would alarm if it did NOT recognize his face as someone with the appropriate level of clearance.
Which does rather imply that back when he got whatever the hell kind of clearance he has, he wasn't so keen on the Thisistheway rules, maybe he had a rebellious youth. And came back into the fold with the overeagerness of someone who feels guilty about their past.
Guess one of these episodes we might find out.
I'm going by what they said in the dialogue, that the system is only set up to trip an alarm based on who they know is rebel or republic, not who they don't know. It's just a mining camp. It's not that serious. Remember our own US military was sharing self incriminating intel to vague out of the way army bases network wide.
Perhaps this was a nod to that kind of lackadaisical security within the US military.
From Wikipedia -
On January 5, 2010, Manning, downloaded the 400,000 documents that became known as the Iraq War logs from the Forward Operating Base Hammer, near Baghdad, after arriving in October 2009. From her workstation there, she had access to SIPRNet (the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network) and JWICS (the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System). On January 8, she downloaded 91,000 documents from the Afghanistan database, known later as part of the Afghan War logs. She saved the material on CD-RW and smuggled it through security by labeling the CD-RW media
That is rather odd, with the face-scanner. It raises a lot of questions as to why the computer didn't question his identity when his face was scanned. That was also very awkward how he had to keep the helmet off for longer than a few seconds.
shareWas very stupid of the show runners. If he kept his helmet on all the time then they would never need to worry about him trying to get more money because he would be easy to replace.
shareI think meeting the other Mandalorians that have no problem taking their helmets off have relaxed his own rules a little.
shareIt may cause problems for him in the future if he ever meets up with the armorer and other orthadox mandalorians again. Remember swearing he had never taken off his helmet in front of anyone before got him out of a beating from another jealous mandalorian. "This is the way" ended it.
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