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Haven't seen it yet and I'm already pissed! (Angry Rant)


I'm not very happy when I found out, according to TV Tropes, the attackers of Adrian Mellon and his boyfriend flee and are never caught by the police. In the book, they are arrested and framed for Adrian's murder. They also tell the police that they saw a clown, but the police don't believe them. I prey to God that a deleted scene that shows these assholes getting arrested and framed for Adrian's murder. It's already bad enough that they dished out a severe beating to the gay couple, but now they had to rub salt in the wound and not have them get caught by the police. Are you fucking kidding me? Stop with this Karma Houdini bullshit, Hollywood. It's not clever at all!

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It's a nearly 3 hour movie. There would be no purpose story wise to show this in the film. The scene serves it's purpose, anything else is simply superfluous.

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They don't have to have that scene in the theatrical release, but a deleted scene is really justified.

I mean Ben Stiller's character in Happy Gilmore is punished; not in the actual film, but in a deleted scene (and some TV airings) when Happy throws him out of a window and the glass shatters, and this is far more dire that what his character did in that movie. Being rude to the elderly is one thing, but to savagely beat up a gay couple is enough to warrant justice.

If this had been two girls being raped, I betcha they would show the rapists being arrested or punished in some way. I really fucking hate it when they cop out (no pun intended) whenever males are beaten up by other tougher males (even if they didn't deserve it) and pull the "Karma Houdini" card out of their asses! Its fucking sexist and not to mention, very lazy and bad writing 101!

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Bring back the Hays Code!

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I just think that writing 'Karma Houdinis" for bully type characters should be illegal! I mean they don't allow underage kids to do anything sexual, as that would condone pedophilia. So why can't writing where bully or thug type character(s) get away with doing something cruel like "assault and battery" not be banned, when it comes to writing in TV shows and movies?

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Because that would be stupid

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No, it wouldn't, it's just an excuse for bad and lazing writing.

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Illegal, LOL?! You might want to talk to someone.

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Why do you even BELIEVE TV Tropes? It's not even a movie site. Give proof of where you heard that they got away!

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Read it, yourself!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/ItChapterTwo

It literally says "Karma Houdini", where it says there was no indication that they were caught. When I first read that, I was livid! Such a disgrace to the novel! They couldn't have had a 2-3 minute scene where the cops interrogated them about the murder of Adrian? That's all they needed and it would've been justified and resolved. But nope, they didn't. This is why the movie is getting mediocre to bad reviews, because of stupid little mistakes like that. How do you fuck up something like that!? Something that small that could've been resolved in under 5 minutes and it wouldn't have padded on the running time of the movie, which is already 3 hours long.

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The link you just gave, nowhere does it say "Karma Houdini". I just checked.

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Check again, it says it on the main page of the film. It's not on the YMMV page. Click on the "film" button and it'll take you to the lists of tropes for the movie.

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Yes, I see it, now. Sneaky of you to change the link, BTW. I know, I saw the YMMV page in detail, and this new page is different. In any case, I posted to you elsewhere on this board about why Adrian's attackers weren't caught. It should explain some things. :)

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They were actually caught in the novel, but to change that in the movie, is a big F-U to the LGBT community!

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The movie creates sympathy for the gay couple. One of the main heroesis a gay chatacter. There's no F-U to lgbt. Just people trying to create controversy where none exists.

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You're missing the point, here; the perpetrators don't get caught and that pisses me off! It was Hollywood being lazy again, with the writing! There's no excuse for that. It's nice to know that had it involved girls being victimized with sexual assault, there would've been justice! Gender standards are so unfair!

*Beep*, *Beep*, Hollywood!

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That's your problem. If you're going to be so sensitive because Hollywood doesn't do exactly as you please, go to Hollywood and make your own movie.

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No, its not. Its just wrong to let bad people get away with doing cruel things by saying "Shit happens, deal with it!" I friggin hate that excuse!

FYI, am trying to pitch an animated series for the past 7 years!

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It's reality cody. Shit happens. You don't have control, life moves on. Move on.

Good luck with your series.

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Well, I believe in a thing called reincarnation and with reincarnation there's a thing called karma and if you do something cruel (like taking the pleasure in beating someone up) it will catch up to you and will bust you in the ass. There's no escaping it! You can run but you can't hide! Our God doesn't let any bad deed go unpunished. What comes around, goes around! You can control movies, if you are one of the writers and have bad people pay for their crimes, but you can't control that in real life. Only some people, like the police force can do that, but karma sure is a funny thing! Just ask Jason Lee.

BTW, Cody is the name of the main young child protagonist in my show. He creates 3 clones of himself with different distinct personalities and they fight crime together (a la The Powerpuff Girls). I'm really looking for some writers to collaborate with me and help write the first draft of the 1-hour pilot episode. Do you know anybody like that? I'd really appreciate if I could get a head start of this project! I haven't done anything with it since like 2012 and I could really use a hand.

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You must be on the barricades every day, fighting against inequality! Or are you a hypocrite?
Just a little reminder that black and white is a limited way to see the world.

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Whatever, I didn't understand any of that unintelligible nonsense you just said.

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It's a long, long film, so I can see why they cut out any further scenes that didn't relate directly to the Losers Club.

As it happens, the attackers DON'T see the clown at all, only Adrian's boyfriend sees it.

It's important to realise that it's not a homophobic scene, but a scene ABOUT homophobia (which is a nice branching off from IT feasting on fear, or phobia), and the more hard-hittingly realistic it is, the more it will hopefully resonate with the type of people who don't think there's still a problem for gay people.

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Was there a scene in the movie saying they were never arrested? I just assumed they were arrested, but it just wasn't shown in the movie. An actual scene in the movie for this isn't necessary in my opinion.

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No, there wasn't a scene like that. No, it's not necessary as it shows the evil of Pennywise returning.

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you SJW's are funny.

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i thought the film completely bombed the opening..

the books is so much nastier regarding Mellon's death. the aftermath @ the police station is creepy as hell.
i wonder why it wasn't included.. it was a very strong part of the novel that portrays the Derry residents' being "part" of IT in general.

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The first IT movie already established how "under-the-thumb" the Derry adults are, so why repeat it?

The point of the movie's scene here was how injustice and fear and tyranny dominates Derry, and no heinous crimes like homophobic assault and murder, lots of child murders and missing cases in particular, are ever even investigated seriously and never punished, unless to serve Pennywise's will.

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