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One way to potentially revive the franchise


Wait several years and make a medium budget dark themed excellent character development with less action, no new Terminators etc. but more soul. Something similar they did to X-Men with Logan.

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They almost pulled that off with Salvation, which is why I like that more than any other offering after T2.

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But didn't they spend $200 million on Salvation -the marketing campaign?

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Whut? Salvation was a horrendous movie. Nobody gives a shit about the future war.

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Exactly, the point of the story was to AVOID the future war, not indulge it.

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While that may have been the goal of the characters, it wasn't necessarily the goal of fans.

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I totally disagree - I think most fans always wanted to see the future war.

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Although I never watched Salvation in the cinema (I was Terminator-ed out by then (terminated?)), if they'd have executed the future war better, it could still be a viable movie or series. If it was mostly set at night and with an 80s aesthetic like in the flashbacks in the first movie. And preferably with a less major star than someone like Christian Bale. Although he was great in pretty much everything else, I'd rather see someone with less ties to a previous big franchise like Bale had with Batman which kind of overwhelmed Salvation being a Terminator movie first and foremost, imo.

As I wrote this, I just thought Frank Grilo might make a good older John Connor, I haven't watched the first Teeminator in years, but I think there was a slight resemblance to him in the flashbacks scenes. While he's quite well known for the Purge movies (also largely set at night now I think of it), I could see him fitting in the world of Terminator, he's a recognizable face, but like in the case of the Purge movies the concept and world are still the main draw of the movie. Another similar badass type might be Jon Bernthal, but I could see Grillo fitting more the military leader type.

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Another idea, I don't know if either actor would be interested now, but another story could be have an alternate timeline where Kyle and John are still alive but instead Sarah Connor is dead in their timeline (either a Skynet or Legion one) having died shortly after John's birth and they crossover into this one and interact with her. I don't know if that's even possible the way time travel works in the Terminator universe, but I'm sure they could write around it, maybe even factor in two-way time travel as the story dictates, it could open up a lot more possibilities.

Lastly, just use side characters doing separate missions but alluding to events of the previous movies without using any of the main characters, the Dark Horse comics from the 90s were quite good in that respect, it made the world feel bigger.

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No more time travel please! "The Terminator" made it clear that time was closed-loop. Even T2 is guilty of messing it up a little bit.

Salvation was terrible. They should have taken the first moments of The Terminator, and made it into a movie. It did not have a "humans are awesome" or "robot fx ftw yay" kind of vibe. It was desperation. Show us famine, disease, the horrible conditions. Show us humans dwelling in ruins, shivering with cold, but too afraid to light a fire. Make us afraid of war. That was what the first movie was about.

And definitely don't cast underwear models as resistance fighters. These people are hungry, battle worn, full of mental scars and fears. After The Terminator, no movie in the franchise ever got that right again.

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IMO, Cameron will never admit that DF isn't the true sequel to T2, so I'm not sure where it can go from here - I can't imagine anyone would be interested in seeing the sequels to DF and he will never go back to the timeline of T3 and Salvation either.

I'm a Terminator junkie, so I would like to see more stories and since we are stuck with this new timeline, I could buy into a couple of things to fix DF.

#1 John's death was only one of Sarah's dreams, but his absence in the movie could be explained by her not knowing where he is - for whatever reason he took off and she has blocked it out of her memory by thinking he died. As he is still alive he could pop back into the story at a future date.

#2 John dies and she finds Carl who isn't as silly of a character as he is in DF, but he has developed a conscious and is truly remorseful for killing John. In the future, two way time travel is possible and Carl goes back to intercept John before he dies and transports him to the present. He is reunited with a very old Sarah as she is dying and goes on to help fight Legion.

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nah - make a legit tv series with good sfx, writing and decent actors and you may just be able to revive this pile of crap.

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But do you really see TV happening as long as Cameron and Hurd own the rights?

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A spinoff to the Terminator series could be this. In the year 2050, when time travel has been made possible and deadly cyborgs fight the wars (not necessarily against humans), young Connor Johns laments the complete absence of anything resembling good cinema in his time. He was triggered after his joyful viewing of the 1984 film "The Terminator," which is now illegal to view or procure along with every other film made before year 2000 (Hollywood/authoritarian government collusion). Using his trusty learning machine, Connor discovers that James Cameron and Gale Ann Hurd, sometime around the late 1990s, were largely responsible for the downfall of quality cinema. The specific catalyst at peak turd transition was the release of T3 in 2003. Connor sends a Cyberdyne Systems Model CSM-101 Infiltrator unit back to 1999 to terminate with extreme prejudice the command of Cameron and Hurd, thence releasing the rights to the Terminator franchise into presumably more capable hands.

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Hollywood is at an all-time low with remake/sequel burnout but I can't see them stopping any time soon as they are beyond creatively bankrupt and they're desperate for an established franchise cash-in.

I think with so many blockbuster franchises failing, they will keep trying but with a modest budget rather than risking hundreds of millions of dollars on something like this (or Star Wars, or Charlie's Angels etc). At the end of the day they are only interested in money.

Disney are the worst offenders, literally remaking classic animated films with CGI which requires zero thought or creativity.

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