My confusion about raging antifeminist incels - Captain Marvel (2019) Discussion

[–] galahadfairlight (414) 5 years ago

I get what she was trying to say, but in this day and age, any mention of race, even though thats her entire point, and people lose their minds!

She shouldn't have mentioned skin colour, but at the same time, there are a shitload of white guys that review movies, so shes not wrong.

Is she right to ask the question about whether or not there should be a bit more diversity in the critics? Maybe, but its not as if it was going to help A Wrinkle in Time anytime soon.

Did American tweens skip the movie because of the opinion of a bunch of white guy critics? No, Wrinkle in Time was doomed the second it deviated too much from the book..... and it was crap

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don't disagree with your points here, but can we all please stop using the term 'incels'?

Some, in fact many/most, of the biggest misogynists in the world are the most well-sexed men (Trump, after all, is a multiple-adulterer/three-times divorcee with a string of porn-star girlfriends and mistresses behind him, and was given the rather dubious title of class ladies' man at his military prep school). Some of the most feminist and progressive men are often the least well-sexed (i.e. the guys who are so egregiously concerned about coming across as chauvinist jerks that they refrain from asking women out - a recent study has shown that many Millennial men now regard simply asking a woman out for a coffee may amount to a form of sexual harassment).

Also, be mindful that the term 'incel' was originally conceived by a celibate and progressive woman who wanted to bring lonely people of all genders together. By using the term as a pejorative we're actually playing into the hands of the assholes who have (mis)appropriated the term for their own malign, anti-women, agenda.

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[–] codebasher (29) 5 years ago

I'm happy to inform you, the all-powerful patriarchal secret cabal of women oppressing men in Western civilisation does not exist. May I suggest you tackle the real oppression of women throughout the middle east and Africa or is that too hard?

Sadly I suspect the gross preoccupation with race and gender is nothing more than a desperate phycological need to become a victim. Future generations will look back in complete wonder on this crazy hysterical race to win the most victim points. Not to mention the insane arbitrary definitions of oppressor and oppressed based on nothing but melanin-count in the skin and genitalia at birth.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don't understand what point you're making here.

Are you attacking women? Defending them? Calling them victims? Oppressors?

Also, how does anything you've said relate to my last post?

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[–] codebasher (29) 5 years ago

I was just highlighting the hyprocracy of the latest SJW movement. With a facade of claiming inclusion, in reality they display the very worst of hateful racism but only in a fresh coat of paint.

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[–] bond998 (1206) 5 years ago

I don't care what Bree Larson said and don't care about her politics. But the way said it was ill conceived. All she had do was say "We need more diversity in film criticism." The end. Film Criticism is the least important job on the entire planet. Nobody going die because of someone botched a review. And with something called the "Internet" were anyone can be a film critic. If you really care about Social Justice. You don't make movies for multi-trillion dollar corporation who pay employee in shit. and you don't write film reviews. You go work at soap kitchen. But sometimes a movie just sucks and it has nothing to do with actors politics or Incels. By the way can you come up with better new insults. Incel sound like a exotic Mexican food. Or you could go back to the classic of Poo Poo Head and Do Do Brain.

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[–] codebasher (29) 5 years ago

I'm personally astonished at the mass campaign of hate and derision towards anyone who dares say Capt Marvell is anything less than a ground-breaking women's rights masterpiece. Woe betides any SciFi fan declaring any negative opinion of CM, for it's now considered incel-like hatred towards all womenkind.

Now for the elephant in the room; not a single word has yet to be published explaining how these self-same 'women hating man-babies' can love, adore and damn near worship every female SciFi/Action lead over the last fifty years from Princess Lea to Alita. What about the dissent from a great number of ladies too? What name do these girls deserve from our glorious social puritans? "Women hating girl babies?"

I feel sorry for the makers of Alita Battle Angel because they had the gross temerity to release a female lead superhero movie that found itself competing with CM. That with the protagonist committing numerous sins like daring to have relationships with men, 'gasp' white ones at that. With so many "women hating manbabies" loving Alita, the SJW twisted logic can only assume watching and enjoying Alita must also be some act of hatred towards all women by men.

With the new-wave feminists' complete obsession with race, colour and gender, they would do well to study history to see where it leads starting with the 1930's. REAL feminists over the last 100 years have sacrificed far too much bring equality and mutual respect we enjoy. My father came here to Australia to escape a regime also intolerant of any criticism. He and the rest of the civilised world is well over this race-hatred and recognise it no matter how you re-brand or re-present it.

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[–] VIDEOSTOREVANDAL (313) 5 years ago

OHHHH.YOURE FROM AUSTRALIA...NOW I GET WHY YOU SOUND SO UNINTELLIGENT AND BORDERLINE INBRED.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

Alita was amazing! I do hope you saw it and loved it.

FYI, I havent seen Cap Marvel.

Well, my response is going to be short... I sympathize with your view because certainly there will be pro-CapMarv reactionaries who may interpret any normal criticism of the movie as potential veiled sexism.

However, my topic here obviously focuses on Brie's comments (which are not about Cap Marvel) and the way they are twisted by haters.... Whether twisted in interpretation due to bias, twisted deliberately due to misogyny, or simply not understanding her words (including those who didnt listen and only get her words second hand).

So yeah... That's all.

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[–] arflexit (2376) 5 years ago

I think; without reading too deep into it, it is not misogyny or "manbaby incels" that is leading toward the interpretation of her comments. There are 2 things that lead to this response by many:

1. In the modern political culture people are getting tired of all the intersectionality, identity politics, sjw, hypersensitivity (everything being called racist and sexist) etc; so anytime a celebrity says anything that even resembles these talking points is going to come under scrutiny. Which is somewhat ironic because what is happening is the hypersensitivity of those that are calling things racist, sexist, etc is causing the critics of 'wokeness' to become hypersensitive in response.

This gets worse as more and more of the sjw/intersectionality gets involved into every aspect of our lives and every form of entertainment. For example now I can't even read up on football (soccer in America) without reading about how women football players feel they are underpaid compared to their men counterparts, but ignore the fact that female football is a million dollar industry while mean football is a billion dollar industry.

2. Larson's attitude and demeanor in these interviews make her come across as extremely entitled and nasty. Even if she did not mean it the way some of the critics took it, it is hard to deny she seems to have one hell of a chip on her shoulder.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

For all my time on the internet, one thing holds true above all others. Almost no one reads past the headline/title and people will always believe beyond all doubt what fits their narrative.

As for Brie herself, IMO, she’s utterly unlikeable. Granted I’ve not seen much of her, but what little I have I don’t care for. She comes across with a kind of self entitled personality that one has to wonder how she makes it through the day putting up with all the little people surrounding her.

She tweeted this a few years ago: “I merely smiled at a TSA agent and he asked for my phone number. To live life as a woman is to live life on the defense.”. This pretty much sums up who she is as a human being and how she sees others. She doesn’t say he was rude, or that he wouldn’t take no for an answer or anything that might justify vilifying the TSA guy on her twitter feed. His only crime seems to be that he had the audacity to ask her for her number. As thought basic human social interaction was beneath her.

Her fans later tried to mould it into being “inappropriate for a person in authority”, which she jumped on as the reason for her post in the first place. Which is about as true as I have a pet unicorn who only smokes camels because he hates camels and thinks camels are made from real camels. And yes, my unicorn is a boy, and yes he does get a lot of shit for the heavy eye make up he wears, but he doesn’t care, he wants his eyes to pop.

So while, I’m sure things she says are twisted sometimes, for people who aren’t incels it’s going to be because of things like this tweet. A guy asked her out. He didn’t force the issue, he wasn't rude, he didn’t abuse his position, he just asked her out. She said no, and that was that. She decided that was enough to start a conversation about how women are always being attacked. As though being asked out and having some guy screaming “do you take it up the arse?” In the middle of the street is the same thing.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

Perhaps it was the most recent example in a lifetime of things like that. It IS creepy getting asked for a phone number from a random person who has just seen you in a random public place (not a bar or pickup spot).

I had a very nutty little drunk lady try to get my phone number randomly two weeks ago, brcause I smiled. She was definitely mentally damaged beyond being tipsy.

It was indeed creepy and I did not give my number. I would have tweeted about it.

However, that was the only time it has happened to me. If this kind of thing happened regularly, with all kinds of women, it would affect me and my view of females.

So, I first take Brie at her word, because I am not a woman and I will not pretend to understand her life.

After that, I will try to put myself in her shoes.

At that point, I can fully see her point of view.

Why aren't women complaining en masse about Brie misrepresenting the gender? Why is it basically only men who "hate" her? Why is it only the ones who don't have to live as a woman who decry a woman saying what its like to live as a woman?

You know the answers.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

The first fallacy is that it’s only men, it’s not. One of the replies to her tweet from a woman:

“hey, I get it, there are some guys who try to chat me up that make my skin crawl, but I'm not going to get triggered by it. There's a problem with labeling a person's attempt to chat you up some form of harassment.”

Now that’s a woman saying that. There goes the idea that it’s just men trying to tell women to stop being dramatic. I have no doubt it’s annoying being a celebrity. But let’s not pretend the Brie Larson is tackling the issues that all women face, she’s not. She’s moaning about being asked out as a woman, when the reality is that she was being asked out as a celebrity.

I’ve known many women over the years and I was quite horrified to learn just how many of them have a sexual assault story of some kind. I have no doubt that women face life differently than I do as a man. I know, because I’ve been told the horror stories. This is not one of those stories.

I refused a girl who asked me out once. She told everyone I raped her as a result. And yet, I still don’t have a problem with being asked out. Take no for an answer, I don’t see the problem past being a bit annoying. And I certainly don’t see it rising to the same level as:

“i ignored a catcaller, & TWO guys demanded to know why i wasn't interested. i was alone, surrounded by 3 men laughing at my discomfort”

Remember, this is about asking someone out. Not being a dick to them because they say no. People who look for offence or victimisation are annoying. The internet has taken sides, and Brie is on one of them. It’s not just men, it’s not because she’s a woman. It’s the idea that anything can be an attack based on how something is taken without an consideration for how the “offender” might be feeling.

A guy wanted to ask out a celebrity. Now he’s a sex pest. That’s the world we live in now.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

"The first fallacy is that it’s only men, it’s not."

Gotta stop you there.

My quotes:
1. Why aren't women complaining en masse about Brie misrepresenting the gender? ("En masse" is the key term)

2. Why is it basically only men who "hate" her? (That woman's response is nowhere near "hate" -- also, "basically" refers to a trend, not a 100%)

"But let’s not pretend the Brie Larson is tackling the issues that all women face, she’s not."

I have to stop you there, too, because I have heard Brie's sentiment from various women literally all my life.

Also: What gender is usually the victim of rape, sexual assault, sexual harrassment, murder by a lover or ex-lover, etc? Women.

"Remember, this is about asking someone out."

Not exactly. It's a completely random request for personal information from someone in a position of authority, while employed in a law enforcement position, and who may have been passing the "wand" over Brie as she had her arms out.

We don't know the circumstances, but obviously she had to expand on her statement. However, you immediately dismissed all her later expansion here:

Her fans later tried to mould it into being “inappropriate for a person in authority”, which she jumped on as the reason for her post in the first place. Which is about as true as I have a pet unicorn

So you literally just dismissed her opinion because she didn't lay it all out and explain her entire life right away.

See it yet?

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

Asking for someone’s number has been for quite a few decades been used as an equivalent of asking someone out on a date. To say other wise is quite disingenuous.

Another disingenuous comment. The main complaint of women is not that they are asked out, its the follow up rejection response that’s the common issue. We are social beings and the yes it can be annoying having to interact with other people, but not all interactions rise to the level of attack. So you can stop me as much as you like, but it doesn’t make the victim seeking nature of Brie Larson any less egregious.

Calling everyone who takes issue with her, incels, plays about as well as calling everyone who doesn’t a libtard sjw.

Perhaps if Brie’s intention was to educate, you might have point. But it wasn’t, it was an attack to out some poor guy and get attention for herself on the back of the metoo thing. Anyone who thinks the issues of men and women are going to be solved with mean tweets is just another part of the problem that takes away from the very real issues that women face every day. And they “you should have let her finish” doesn’t work when she didn’t try to clear up what was being said straight away, instead defending it. Perhaps instead of guessing a defence, which is what you’re doing FYI, you should take a look at the tweet and see that she was in fact just a garbage attack on men that had a real message behind it, but a piss poor example of it.

By the way, not for nothing, but your posts are reading very much like the people you claim to despise. disingenuous fallacy laid drivel that works off assumptions based on nothing but your own world view. Yes men are arseholes to women, this was not a good example of it. And all the buts in the world aren’t going to change that.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Men are arseholes to women? Well you can take any group of human beings, and members of that group will at time be arseholes to members of another group.

But in general, men are way nicer to women than they are to other men. So your comment is a bit off. In fact most men are quite eager to shit on other men if they think it will gain them favour with women. Take frogarama for example.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

"Take frogarama for example."

WTF are you crying victim because Im debating points without coddling my fellow males?

Are you an intellectual wimp or something? Ive never seen such a weak snowflake response as this.

Pathetic.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

Eh, both those things are true. I’m a man after all, I’ve met more than my fair share of arseholes trying to prove something or other. But historically men in general have been assholes to women. It’s truly alarming how many women I’ve spoken to over the years that have a sexual assault story to tell. Seriously, talk to any of your female friends, you’ll be horrified how rampant it is.

But just because it’s a generally true, doesn’t mean it should be the go to thought process when dealing with a man. We obviously aren’t all arseholes. This notion that men shouldn’t even dare to say hello is just madness. I saw one women write that men shouldn’t approach women at all. Stick to apps, because no one is interested. Meet cutes or only for movies and people born before the iPhone became a thing, apparently.

The story that Brie tells isn’t a very good one. It requires that you picture a sleazy guy coming on to her against her will. There’s no room allowed for the possibility that maybe the guy had poor social skills. The fact he took no for an answer is ignored, the focus on his approach that he should have magically known was unwanted. As so it goes that everyone has a story to tell that starts with “this guy came up to me and asked me out...” but it’s not the same story. All those stories don’t end with “I said no, and the accepted it and walked off.”. So now we have bunch of horrid tales that have no real connection to the initial post, and Brie is seen as some kind of hero for outing some poor guy that just wants to ask out a celebrity.

If Brie was any kind of real hero for women, she would have been looking to use her status to educate. Instead, she just wanted to jump on the metoo wagon in the most pathetic way possible, thus giving more ammo to the incels who repeatedly label women as over reacting.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Men have historically been assholes to women? That's absurd. Explain please. Men have always prioritised the wellbeing of women over that of other men and even themselves. I don't know where people get crazy ideas like this into their head despite everyday experience demonstrating exactly the opposite.

Sure, women have their sexual assault stories. Men have their physical assault stories. As a man you can get beat up on the street and people will walk by. Women get sexually assaulted when there is no one around, but where there are people around they are much safer than men.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

Ugh, tedious.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Is it really tedious though? Or are you just offended by the idea that being a protector of women doesn't make you special, but rather a very typical man?

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

No, just tedious. Very, very, tedious.

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Yeah it was really tedious when I was on the floor being kicked in the face by two guys who attacked me for no reason when I was walking home from a club and people were standing around looking on and doing nothing. I'm sure all those women who got their bum pinched had a terrible time of it though.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

And that has exactly what to do with the topic at hand? You got your arse kicked, boo hoo, we all have at some point. That doesn’t make it alright for you to ignore, or worse deny, thousands of years of oppression and violence towards women.

I mean, women are still being stoned to death in parts of the world for shit their husbands do, but you got a boo boo, so it’s all the same, right?

Oh, but that’s not here in the good ol US of A, so it doesn’t count, right? Apparently being screamed vulgar obscenities at in the street by strangers isn’t a problem right? Being looked at and treated as nothing more than a place to park your dick isn’t an issue right? Having to fight for the same rights as men, isn’t an issue, right?

Tedious. Utterly tedious pointless aregument punctuated by a sob story. Well, sorry, chief, but you know where you can stick your whataboutism, right?

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

So when something happens to a man it's "boo hoo" and when something happens to a woman it's "oppression".

Women have at pretty much all points in history had a longer life expectancy than men. This despite the fact that a lot of women died in childbirth(which is hardly a fact that can be blamed on men, but I'm sure you'll find a way). Men have been slaughtered and mutilated by the millions in wars. In many of those countries where you think women get such a bad deal, 12 year old boys are being sent off to join militias(because all of the adult men are already dead). Girls are banned from going to school, yet more girls are in school than boys because the boys have been enlisted as soldiers.

What you are doing is taking an example of something bad that happens to women, then ignoring the worse things that happen to men, and hey presto! Women are oppressed! It's not really your fault though. Like most men you have an innate bias in favour of women over men, which is hard to overcome.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

No, when some man tries to make a conversation that’s about women about himself, it’s boo hoo.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

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[–] StoneKeeper (21672) 5 years ago

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[–] StoneKeeper (21672) 5 years ago

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

I believe it. That movie was one the best laugh out loud comedies of the 90s. Full of brilliant characters and lines. To this day every time I see some one getting decked in a movie or tv show I hear smokey in my head saying “you got knocked the fuck out!” Lol. Simply brilliant.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

Im discussing this with you because you are very reasonable, but its still difficult to pass all your speed bumps.

I will respond to three things.

1. Would it be appropriate for a police officer to ask a woman for her phone number while on duty and while dealing with her on actual Police business? Would it be appropriate for a boss to meet his new cute secretary and immediately ask for her number?

Would it be appropriate for a father to ask for his daughters best friend's number at that friend's 18th birthday party?

There are times when its simply not appropriate.

2. You didnt "correct" my statement. "Asking someone out" is a human INTERPRETATION.

The factual act is randomly requesting personal information, the phone number, which is also access to her life.... from a law enforcement official on duty.

You're basically arguing that Brie is wrong for experiencing an uncomfortable situation and daring to share it.

3. "Calling everyone who takes issue with her, incels, plays about as well as calling everyone who doesn’t a libtard sjw."

I DID NOT DO THAT. The topic is about their inability or refusal to comprehend her words of a specific speech.

It has nothing to do with opinions of her, and everything to do with MISINFORMATION.

Im not liking that you keep changing my statements. It does not bode well for my hopes here.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

I didn’t say it was appropriate, I said that she and her “fans” moulded it into that after it became apparent that her original post wasn’t going down well.

But here’s what I can allow for. She’s a celebrity, he’s obviously thought when am I going to get the chance to ask out Brie Larson again? And then made a dumb choice. She was never in any danger, she had no reason to be “on the defensive”. She also made no mention of the fact it was the power dynamic that was the issue, it was quite clear that her point was about men talking a smile as an invitation, once again ignoring the fact that she is a celebrity. Celebrities are the main character in most people’s fantasies. Remember the high school students asking celebrities to prom? Or the marines who did the same? How many times has brad Pitt had the panties thrown at him while driving? Just the other day Keanu Reeves has some guy scream at him “you’re awesome!” While on stage st e3. He laughed, and the company he was there for gave the guy a free comps of the game they were promoting. People like celebrities and do stupid shit around them. She was a guy asking out a celebrity and nothing more.

So while there are times when it’s not appropriate to ask someone out, we can make allowances and understand why someone might have done something a bit silly with out knee jerking into making him out to be some kind of sexual predator. The fact she’s a celebrity plays a huge role in his thought process. Why the fact he took no for answer is largely being ignored I don’t understand.

I mean she just all but labelled a guy a sexual predator and didn’t back it up with anything other the notion that people have similar stories and they’ll fill in the blanks themselves. Kinda like you did, when you brought up your own example of an unwanted approach. The twos things were nothing alike, yet your bad experience informs your opinion to the point where you make allowances for Brie’s tweet.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

"I didn’t say it was appropriate"

Then I must ask: Does this mean it can feasibly be "inappropriate" depending on exactly how it went down? Inappropriate isn't a big deal. She didn't name him and shame him or say what airport he worked at. She didn't try to get him punished or fired or anything. It was just a small reference to an experience that she knows is common with women.

"She was never in any danger, she had no reason to be “on the defensive”."

That word does not necessarily refer to danger. Even on these message boards (Trump board anyone?) we have to be on the defense constantly... But there is no danger whatsoever.

"But here’s what I can allow for. She’s a celebrity, he’s obviously thought when am I going to get the chance to ask out Brie Larson again? And then made a dumb choice."

"The fact she’s a celebrity plays a huge role in his thought process."

These two quotes are odd because I will refer back to your original reply:
"His only crime seems to be that he had the audacity to ask her for her number. As thought basic human social interaction was beneath her."

Now compare THAT to your two quotes above it. You now recognize this was not a "basic human social interaction." It was a celebrity encounter, and even you said "And then made a dumb choice."

You just agreed with Brie, and with me.

"Kinda like you did, when you brought up your own example of an unwanted approach. The twos things were nothing alike, yet your bad experience informs your opinion to the point where you make allowances for Brie’s tweet."

They were similar, but that experience did not give me an "allowance" for Brie's tweet because, before that, I had no problem with her tweet.

Now talk about "nothing alike" when you say: "she just all but labelled a guy a sexual predator"

NO she did NOT. Not even close.

That's a wild exaggeration, even with "all but labeled." There wasn't even anything sexual involved here. He asked for her number.

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

See above. Have a good one, buddy.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

I think you mean see below ;)

Good talk, hope you stick around the boards, looking forward to our next interaction.

=)

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

As for the misinformation part. That’s your opinion. Just as they have theirs. I’ve seen the videos of her interacting with other cast members in interviews, and you have a point. They are very leading to a conclusion. That being said, I can still see it. It’s not as blatant as th videos make out, but it’s there. I saw a video in defence of her that made the argument that perhaps she was just not very good at joking around. And because of that her “jokes” seem very forced and awkward. They used Audrey plaza(I think) as an example of the style Brie is gong for but can’t pull off. She just comes off as a bit of a knob.

And so we come back to the the topic headline “anti feminist incels”. It’s a red flag. It doesn’t start the topic of in a good way, it implies a conclusion has already been drawn and theirs no room for any other thought process to be allowed. I understand feminism, I support it, I don’t fall into this nothing argument of calling it something else. But in the same breath I still understand that while the goal of feminism is good one, there’s always going to be some inside that argument that force it too far into hating men territory. And there is where most arguments come from. People hear feminism and remember the angry rant of some man hating she beast that blocked them on facebook. They don’t remember the women who take a calm approach to converse their ideas. The same is true here, with Brie and her tweet. She’s not allowing for the fact it’s her celebrity that was a the key factor, no. It’s that she smiled and a man took that as an invitation to approach her. Nothing whatsoever to do with his position of power, which I’d argue against considering her celebrity status would in the end win over anything that he could ever do to her as a TSA.

So, IMO, this where we are. Brie gets a pass because insert a bunch of excuses and addons(not you, the tweets to her tweet) and the guy gets no benefit of the doubt. No, he’s just another sex pest.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

I am glad you split up your responses... I'm going to hit the second one first, however, because it looks like there is still wire-crossing, some losses in translation, that kind of thing.

The title of the topic is deliberately click-bait, yes, however "incels" is still referring specifically to the misinformation campaign around Brie's speech regarding critics (where she references A Wrinkle In Time), misinformation to cast her as a racist and man-hater, misinformation used to stage a silly "protest" against Captain Marvel, making petitions, etc.

They either didn't understand her industry-catering speech, or they deliberately warp it in order to use it as propaganda.

My title and the topic post refer to nothing more than this.

Also, it's not interpretation. She was factually speaking about the mismatch between audience demographics and critic demographics.

Also again, there at the end of your post, you once again fault Brie for not laying out her entire life and explaining in detail, immediately, the entire situation.

THEN when that DOES happen due to backlash, you dismiss the further explanation as an excuse.

Your standard is: Explain everything immediately. If you don't, too late, anything afterward is fictional.

You realize she TWEETED, right? It's not exactly the platform for laying out long explanations.

She also said:She tweeted this a few years ago: “To live life as a woman is to live life on the defense.”

She is referring to her entire life right there. She is quite literally referring to this event as the latest in a long line of living on the defense.

You're also assuming that the interaction with this guy was 100% pleasant. You don't know that. It may have even been a simple "smile" followed by "Hey can I get your number" and that IS KNOWN to be an issue for decently attractive women (non supermodel types).

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

Yes, some wires crossed. Apologies.

As for the rest, I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree. Call a difference of interpretation. To my mind, she had ample opportunity to correct the implication made in the original tweet. She didn’t, she defended it and then made about the power dynamic.

The thing is, I’m well aware that I’m guessing as to what happened. But what I’m doing, and this goes to the people that responded to the tweet, is not instantly think of the guy a negative light. I can allow for the fact that celebrity would have played a major factor in what happened. This happened a couple of years ago and she’s had as much stick for it as the “40 year old white guy” comment, yet has never cleared it up.

I agree with the sentiment, I don’t agree that this was a good example as it’s far too open in what actually happened. But we won’t agree here, so like I said. Best to just agree to disagree on that. At least we can agree on the message that was intended. Which is something. :)

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

I can agree to disagree, absolutely, but I can also agree to agree.

With this:
"But what I’m doing, and this goes to the people that responded to the tweet, is not instantly think of the guy a negative light."

I don't see the guy in a negative light either. I'm defending him as much as her, and by that I mean when I defended him above regarding the sexual predator aspect of it.

He doesn't understand what it's like to be a celebrity, or a woman, or Brie Larson, and so his question has no malice or intent to make her uncomfortable.

She declined, he took no for an answer, and Brie probably sighed with a "Not this again" kind of sentiment in her mind.

There is no fault at play here. These are two very different lives crossing. Some huge celebrities get annoyed at requests for autographs if it gets out of hand. Celebrities can get mobbed by a crowd.

We don't demonize those people. It's just their reaction. This is why major celebrities put on sunglasses and ride in cars with darkened windows. Why they live in gated communities. Etc.

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[–] VIDEOSTOREVANDAL (313) 5 years ago

OH SHIT...I "SKIMMED" YOUR POST....YOURE A RAPER!?...THATS NOT NICE MISTER!

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[–] BigWorm (683) 5 years ago

Yes, I do get down with a nice heavy bass at the weekends :)

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[–] NorrinRad (5057) 5 years ago

Rapper vs Raper. :-)

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Obviously there are aspects of being a man that are easier than being a woman, and there are sure as hell a lot of aspects of being a man that are harder. Men don't have to deal with being hit on by women very often, which of course means they also don't get hit on by women very often. Which means if they want to have sex at any point in their life, they have to put themself out there and risk rejection or even being called a pervert.

Yet you don't see men constantly going on twitter and complaining about how hard it is being a man and expecting to be hailed as a hero for it.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

"Yet you don't see men constantly going on twitter and complaining about how hard it is being a man"

Yes because they are on YouTube making videos about how to manipulate women into sex, how to be a player, etc.

Oh and there are PLENTY of videos of men whining about women.

Simply stating something random does not make it true, DUDE.

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[–] VIDEOSTOREVANDAL (313) 5 years ago

LOTS OF ASSHOLES.SOME HAVE A PENIS.SOME HAVE A VAGINA.

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