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Another show infected with feminism


Nowhere in the comics does Collin receive the Iron Fist. So it is pure bullshit from the producers to captivate an audience and surf on the feminist trend.

Males in this series are pathetic children full of doubt, whereas female characters are the strong, intuitive, heroic ones.

So many films and series over the last years surfing on the feminist movement, and I predict a similar ending in Game of Thrones - they have all but already eliminated most male characters already. But at least in Game of Thrones it is plausible, politics can be mastered by either.

But in Iron Fist you see a female police officer fight toe to toe with a criminal trained in martial arts. And then there is Colline - she has all of the answers, can hold her own against male fighters twice her size, not to mention she masters the Iron Fist within seconds of acquiring it whereas it took Danny months to even be able to create a shock wave with it. Not to mention Mary Walker who can take down two iron fists thanks to her military training and Joy who is the toughest son of a bitch, playing all men to her advantage.

The two males, who were trained to be masters of the mind and body end up being nothing more than scared little kids with no strength or will power. Mitchum is the same.

If the show remained true to the original material, the characters would make sense, but as it is now, it is a mess.

Danny is compassionate, but his level of self doubt in the series is beyond surreal. It is generally not a good idea to build a superhero show based on such a feeble and useless character, especially if in the end you give the main role to the female lead.

I don't think that female characters aspire to dominating and subduing men with brute force. True feminism should be presenting women as strong in their own right instead of trying to make them act like men.

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I disagree about Colleen never having doubt. She's been doubting herself throughout both seasons and the Defenders. It wasn't until the end here that she took power and even then, she did it reluctantly. Also keep in mind that Danny can now summon two Iron Fists and charge up pistols, so he still has power.

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She doubts for how long? Danny has been a wreck and a mess the entire season, if not for Colline he could never pick himself up. Colline has been praised for her intuition and instincts and always making the right choices, whereas Danny has been accumulating blunders and poor judgement.

They broke the original material and made a series with unrealistic situations that are all mono-biased, worse, they took away all that made the Iron Fist great in the first place.


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She was in doubt throughout season one due to the Hand messing with her, then she was in doubt throughout Defenders since she was benched, then she was in doubt for this season because she wasn't sure what she wanted. It wasn't until episode 10 that she had any sort of confidence.

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But she finds the answers within herself. Throughout the season Danny is educated by her as if he hadn't learnt to master his mind in Kun Lun. It is just not realistic. She is her therapist, constantly speaking for him, apologizing for his poor behavior. Like a mother with a child.

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True, Danny should be more in tune with his emotions. Going by flashbacks, it seems he won fights through physical strength and cunning but never learned to calm his mind. I would not have chosen that avenue with the character.

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Another post infected with manbabyrism. In that case, looks like this was another show that managed to do something right! (Now it won’t continue to do so unless we see the characters return in some other capacity.) And to think the hypocrite anti-PC crowd was defending it for a while. XD

Not everything has to be comic accurate in order for the story to work in a show or movie, but I know that’s not what someone like you will accept in this case. But Colleen was by far the best thing about this show since day one anyway! In this show she was more worthy of the Iron First mantle than Rand. So yes, let them tears flow small fry. The “evil feminist trend” (not sorry, it’s not going anywhere) is emasculating you inch by inch and u can’t do anything about it... lol. How you like ‘em apples? Yeah bro.

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You couldn't be more wrong, as I am in fact gay and this has nothing to do with feeling emasculated. I have no issue watching shows with sensitive or even feminine guys (e.g. Will and Grace) but it is simply not what I am looking for in a super hero show, as it defeats the purpose of the show. I liked that Danny is compassionate but this season he was simply presented as a child unworthy of having received teachings of a sacred city - what good is that sacred city if anyone else can step into his shoes and instinctly do a better job. What a poor super hero indeed!

For me Colleen wasn't the best in the show (but then I am not straight and constantly staring at female asses), Mary Walker was. She was the most interesting and realistic character.

Also if you read my post, you would know that I am not against feminism but only a certain type of feminism which removes the "feminine" aspect from women.

Note that I would react in exactly the same way if there were a wonder woman TV show and a common "man" were somehow able to best Wonder Woman in combat. The super hero of a show should not be described as weak and so far behind another character (needing many years to even control the iron fist, vs. only a few seconds).

I also had no problem with Jessica Jones, as the premise of the show was that she has super strength, which makes her being able to keep up with other super heroes and dangerous villains plausible.

I also for example love Cloak and Dagger where the main male protagonist is a sensitive, sympathetic guy - he was that way from the beginning, he was not changed completely over the course of the season in a completely unrealistic way.

Game of Thrones is also less disturbing from that perspective. Sure, all male rulers are dying and the women are presented as the cunning ones, and Brienne is besting the Hound, I mean in that world all male characters are equally weak, unless they are ennuques or gays. But at least the story is still plausible most of the time.

What I don't like is when producers make poor choices that create a weak story with plot armor ONLY to please a certain sociological trend. There would be so many other great ways to empower women through a TV show, there is no need to ruin a great male character to create a powerful female one. It is like positive discrimination...two faces of the same coin, it just overshoots in a way that clearly has nefarious effects. It is an affliction, infection, contamination of shows and films lately. We need to find a better balance and not cut our scripts with an axe just to fit a particular trend or agenda.

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I like you.

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This was my initial reaction to the season as well.Especially at the end when the fist was given to Colleen.But i wrote it off as maybe that's just how it played out in the comics.

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To be fair, Danny got two fists after Colleen got the one. And frankly, the plot with Danny going around Asia, learning about the Iron Fist sounds a lot more exciting than Colleen fighting bank robbers. Danny isn't a vigilante like Daredevil. He should be fighting mystical kung-fu masters and having trippy adventures in other realms. I would have loved to see where season three was headed.

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I'm still unclear as to how Danny got his Iron fist abilities back.Didn't they say somewhere that there could only be one immortal Iron fist.

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The official K'un L'un role of the Iron Fist goes to one person, but the power itself can be shared. The comics had Danny and the previous Iron Fist, Orson Randall, operating at the same time. Meanwhile, there have been two villains who have stolen power from Danny, including Davos.

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Perhaps they decided to focus more on Colleen since she was the best thing to come out of season 1 as many fans of the show really enjoyed her character. You will never get a full film or TV adaption of any literary material. There just isn't enough time and sometimes major changes need to be made; of course not always for the better.

I liked that Ward was an insecure conflicted character. It was something different than the same old strong and arrogant business man. Joy is clearly a conflicted character as well as she flips sides and is unsure of what she wants.

I agree that Mary was too overpowered for someone with just some military training. Davos literally goes through the show killing tons of people so he seems pretty strong....

As far as Danny, his character is insecure in season 1 and here as well. So maybe they are trying to bring him full circle by season 3 rather than starting at as the Iron Fist with no particular flaws.

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I think none of the male insecurities are an issue when taken in isolation, it is just the accumulation of situations that make the show ridiculous.

Both Danny and Davos were trained for their entire life, in the first season Colleen couldn't even compete with Danny as far as fighting goes, he had moves for every one of her moves. Season two, suddenly Colleen becomes OP even after she stopped training. Those logical flaws are a shame. It hurts the show in a major way.

That's even before a slow police officer can compete with guys trained in martial arts. At least with Mary, they explain it with the fact that she prepared many months to take down the Iron Fist, and at least she uses ruse (sedative) as opposed to fighting toe to toe for an extended period of time.

But as I said, those situations may be ok on their own, but its the accumulation that make it ridiculous.

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I agree completely. When Colleen all-of-a-sudden starts training Danny, I couldn't quite understand how she became so adept in the martial arts compared to her flailing around last season. Makes absolutely NO sense.

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Infected with feminism?

Colleen Wing was the show's most popular character.

You are mistaking feminism with Finn Jones being a weak actor and "Iron Fist" being completely sabotaged by a crappy first season that was rushed out by Marvel's TV production arm.

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No, if you read my post I gave a lot of examples that didn't involve Finn Jones.

Honestly, before the post-credit scene, I would have sworn Finn Jones is leaving the show due to other commitments and they needed a convenient plot twist to continue the show with Colleen...That's how radical their scripting was.

It may have been due to his lackluster performance in season 1 but it was not the only unrealistic plot hole in the show.

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I don’t think Finn is a weak actor. He was really cool in the Luke Cage cameo.

This show simply had bad writing.

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I actually agree with you, the script made no sense, they twisted it to suit feminist aspirations.

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LMAO

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Shows like the Morning Show and The Politician prove that people have come down from feminism, which was trending 3 years ago. People have started to realize the fascist tendencies of radical feminim and woke ideology, with its tendency to cancel and deplatform people who do not publicly perform moral grandstanding. We have seen Youtube censure scientific videos in the name of ideology, just like the Nazis used to burn books. It is good that there has been a wake up call. Under the pretense of fighting old discriminations, woke ideology had instilled a discrimination in reverse. People have finally relized the past is the past, we cannot save prehistoric men, but we can save society TODAY and avoid reproducing the same mistakes in mirror. Woke ideology had a good run, and it has done some good, but it has outlived its purpose. Now finally society is coming to a semblance of normalcy.

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