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I suspect a lot of the criticism leveled at Woodstock '99 comes from sixties-style conservatives who's feathers were irreparably ruffled way back when.
shareBack then in 99, that was probably true. However, the current resurgence of criticism is all coming from 2020's style progressives who, between HBO's doc and Netflix's doc, seem to want to blame the whole thing on white privilege and toxic masculinity.
shareTough case to make with the filmmakers’ recurring celebratory images of completely naked female concertgoers and repeated anecdotes of women consuming and distributing hallucinogenic drugs like they were Snapple bottles. But yeah, “the patriarchy”
shareAgreed. If you're a topless woman who decides to crowd-surf, how are you gonna get upset that a few, out of the thousands of hands holding up and moving your body, touch your breasts? What did you think was gonna happen?
And for the record, I'd say the same thing to a naked man who crowd-surfed. Oh, a few people touched your dick? How could a few NOT, in that situation?
nice victim blaming, asshole. i bet you nodded along to everything the promoter said.
shareHave you seen the episodes? What did you think of the filmmakers repeatedly showing prolonged images of completely naked college girls getting high and throwing themselves around? I see you can cuss and hurl ad hominems. But do you think it hypocritical and contradictory for the filmmakers to spend two episodes focusing on the unhinged debauchery of naked, intoxicated women and the third episode preaching about how horrible it was that women were abused and exploited at the concert?
shareDo you think unclothed and intoxicated women are "fair game" because they are asking for it ?
shareThere are no victims, they volunteered their bodies. They are regretful, not victims.
shareIt wasn't true in '99. Aging boomers insisted they did it "the right way" & wagged their fingers at youngsters.
https://www.sfgate.com/style/article/Woodstock-99-The-day-the-music-died-3073934.php
Only the sex stuff is new. Democrats used to downplay rape to protect Clinton.
Interesting, although I'm not sure the point you're making. That was an article by an aging boomer who wasn't a conservative, but I'm sure conservative boomers had plenty to say, for their own reasons, about Woodstock 99, too. Afterall, this was right after Columbine, where boomer conservatives went ballistic trying to blame violent video games and unsavory musical lyrics for mass murder.
Also, someone seriously needs to make a movie about the Stones' concert at Altamont, and what happened with the Hells Angels. From what I've read about that concert or festival, I can't believe that movie hasn't been made.
Also, someone seriously needs to make a movie about the Stones' concert at Altamont, and what happened with the Hells Angels. From what I've read about that concert or festival, I can't believe that movie hasn't been made
I presume you're kidding, and that you really have sat through and admired The Maysels's documentary Gimme Shelter several times over
Nope, wasn't kidding, sadly. Now that I know this documentary exists I will immediately be finding it and watching it, though. Thank you for that.
I was suggesting an actual dramatic film and not a documentary though. There's so much potential material there with that story. Someone should make it.
I was agreeing with you that today's criticism is coming from the left.
Disagreeing that conservatives had anything to say about it in 99.
It doesn't follow that people mad at Manson should also hate Woodstock. People of all political stripes overheard their kids listening to Manson; that mattered. Woodstock 99 was just a vanity project for aging hippies. Boomercons had no stake in the OG event, let alone the renewal.
It's not like there's video evidence of the male audience being white and toxic 🙃
shareWell most of the audience was white, and a relatively small portion of both the male and female audience ended up being highly toxic in the end on night 3 (most people had left by then), and yes there is video documenting these facts.
However, this in no way proves that the toxicity was caused by whiteness, or maleness. Correlation does not imply causation.
Shit, you can go to WorldstarHipHop and watch thousands and thousands of hours of video showing mostly black people being highly toxic. And again, this in no way proves that the toxicity shown in these videos is caused by blackness, because correlation does not logically imply causation.