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Tonight's episode (April 2): Questions

posted 7 years ago by MovieManCin2 (26342)
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Why did Joan frost her hair gray making her look older? As vain as she was this seems counter intuitive.

Did Joan and Hedda really conduct a campaign to deny Bette the Oscar? Was she that vain and that much of a bitch?

Did Geraldine Page actually let Joan talk her out of attending the Oscars? Was she really that gullible?

Is anyone else about to pass out from the incessant smoking in this show? (Cough! Cough!)

Who plays George Cukor? He looked familiar, but I couldn't find him in the credits.

Do people realize that Oscar is a naked guy holding a sword in front of his package? Does anyone else think that's just a bit weird?

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

George Cukor was John Rubinstein: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0748270

As for a couple of the other things have a read here: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/fx-feud-joan-crawford-bette-davis-oscars

It answers a lot.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Jovay,
The Vanity Fair article answered all my questions. And I looked up John Rubinstein on IMDB. He's done a ton of work. I know him from somewhere, but I can't remember where. That's one of my hobbies, connecting the dots on actors' roles.
Thanks!

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

No probs.

Yeah that's why I gave the link on him as I've seen him in some of those shows but then you may have seen him in different ones so was easier to link back.

I looked up that book that Vanity Fair mentions on Amazon and there's one copy @ $4,819.00 wonder if this series will cause it to go into reprint, wouldn't mind reading.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

$4,819 for a book? That's not gonna happen.

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[–] Jennie_Portrait (804) 7 years ago

I was thinking the same thing about Joan Crawford's hair, but then I went to YouTube and saw the actual film clip of the award ceremony and her hair looked stunning: 1963 academy awards

[–] Drmccormack (743) 7 years ago

Thanks for that link Jennie! She did look stunning.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Yes she did, but I have a question. Do you think she was beautiful? I've always admired her as an actress, but never thought she was beautiful. Her eyebrows make her look hard, imho.

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[–] Drmccormack (743) 7 years ago

I am trying to figure out the answer to that question for myself. There is no question she was beautiful, in my opinion, but she was so unappealing for my taste. She seems so artificial. I've always preferred a more natural look. In her era, I prefer the looks of say Ingrid Bergman or Katherine Hepburn. But I think she was a bit older than these ladies. She started in the silent era, right? So maybe my comparison is unfair. She was making movies still into the forties and fifties, where she would have been the contemporary of say, Rita Hayworth and Ava Gardner, some spectacular looking women. I guess it depends on what you like. BTW, I think those eyebrows were atrocious.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Joan Crawford was not beautiful or appealing, and her eyebrows were horrible imho. I think Ingrid Bergman was absolutely beautiful; Hayworth, Gardner and Hepburn not so much. Like you I prefer a natural look.

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[–] Drmccormack (743) 7 years ago

I think most leading ladies or movie stars are beautiful. It's the barrier to entry for a visual medium, mostly true. Sometimes one has a quality that's exceptional, bright red hair or big blue eyes for example, but overall I think they're all way above average in the looks department.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

I agree, which why I'm puzzled by Crawford's success as a movie star. Not beautiful, not even pretty imho.
Those eyebrows: ugh!

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[–] Drmccormack (743) 7 years ago

Do you remember that Seinfeld episode where Jerry had the girlfriend that looked great in certain lights,but horrible in others? Joan Crawford is like that for me. Sometimes within the same movie, I can't figure out if she's beautiful or not. Looking at glamour shots they made of her though, she was very beautiful.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

No, I was never much of a fan of that show. To me it was just a group of four whiny, egotistical, self centered people whose chief talent was to irritate me. I know that puts me in the minority, but that's my opinion.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

She was glamorous, in the 1950s -60s Hollywood style. Back then (though even today) you didn't have to be beautiful; you had to be glamorous on-screen and off. You had to be able to wear the latest fashions, cosmetics and baubles with style - and she did.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Okay. Glamorous yes, beautiful no.

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[–] halomaniac88 (1736) 7 years ago

She had very striking features

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

I've seen a photo when she was very young. At that point she was almost beautiful.

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[–] Cookie.L.A. (2117) 7 years ago

<< Why did Joan frost her hair gray making her look older? As vain as she was this seems counter intuitive. >>

Hmmm, well, I think a couple things were going on with the outfit. The broadcast was in black and white, and she was making a shimmering, all-over fashion statement with the hair matching the dress and flashing diamonds. It was meant to be seen on a small TV screen where everything would hopefully flash as silver...not up close, in color.

The inherently low class Crawford (mistakenly) thought it was classy to have every item of her outfit match. (She often had shoes, purses and hats made from the same fabric as her dresses.) When she decided on a glittering silver dress, she must have thought it would be stylish to have a glittery dusting of silver in her hair, too.

She was probably just getting carried away with getting everything to match...I imagine.
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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

An excellent analysis, Cookie. "Inherently low class." I think that's the best description of her I've ever heard.

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[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

The matchy matchy style is seen as unsophisticated or provincial NOW, like a mother of the bride look at a southern wedding, but in this time period of this show, it was not the same. That was very much the style at the time to have shoes, bag, hat and dress match exactly. It was seen as elegant.

[–] Cookie.L.A. (2117) 7 years ago

<< That was very much the style at the time to have shoes, bag, hat and dress match exactly. It was seen as elegant. >>

(unsheathes claws)

Listen, b!tch....DON'T YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT HANDBAGS!

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Matching things have always been elegant, but true taste dictates you keep the direct matching (say of the same exact fabric) to ONE accessory...a hat, a purse, a scarf. The rest should be in a harmonizing neutral color like black, brown, navy, gray etc.

For instance, even in that period you're not going to find pics of Jackie Kennedy in an outfit where the dress, coat, hat, shoes, gloves and purse are all tailored from the same fabric! But....that was our tacky Joan's favorite look.

smh
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[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

I'm just saying, a lot of rich ladies dressed that way in the early 60's.
For interior design it was also a trend at the time, using the exact same fabric on draperies, upholstery, and wallpaper.
Then you could make a dress out of the same fabric and be perfectly camouflaged. LOL
It's definitely not my taste. I don't even like my shoes and bag to match unless both are black.

[–] Cookie.L.A. (2117) 7 years ago

<< I'm just saying, a lot of rich ladies dressed that way in the early 60's. For interior design it was also a trend at the time, using the exact same fabric on draperies, upholstery, and wallpaper. Then you could make a dress out of the same fabric and be perfectly camouflaged. LOL >>

Haha!

I'm still not completely convicted, tho, pet : )

As far as clothing went, I don't think garments were even sold in extensive matching sets like that...so it would make acquiring all those matching accessories a custom job. And most women who could afford to have all their clothes and accessories hand made had basic taste that inherently told them it was a BAD IDEA....an embarrassment of riches.
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[–] Popcorn Kernel (2368) 7 years ago

It wasn't grey, it was silver glitter. She wanted to be head to toe silver, like a silver version of the Oscar trophy.
You actually still sometimes see this at the Oscars- actresses dress in all gold when they are campaigning hard for an award. It happened this year with Emma Stone, and she won.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Oh you know, you're right! I remember that now.

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[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

Why did Joan frost her hair gray making her look older? As vain as she was this seems counter intuitive.

It was very much the style and very common at hairdressers at the time, along with the bouffant hair styles.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

People did a lot of crazy things back in the 60's. I know. I was there.

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[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

I was there too.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Outstanding!

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[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

My best year -1969 I was 18yo!! Amazing 😉

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Amazing. I was 19.

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[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

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