Why the hatred from killmonger towards T'Challa? - Black Panther (2018) Discussion

[–] CraigJamesReview (1485) 6 years ago

I think he hates the entire family in general because they buried the story and isolated themselves from all the hurt Erik had to go through.

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[–] TwistedAcrobat (1725) 6 years ago

I don't think he hated him or felt anything for him personally. It was more of a case of T'challa being in his way. He wanted the Throne after all and T'Challa was the King.

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[–] fishpan (544) 6 years ago

That's the irony of the whole thing. Secrets caused the problems.

What if T'Challa had been open with W'Kabi about what went down when he found out Klaw wasn't in custody. That he had seen his uncle's ring on the individual that had freed Klaw, that there was more to Royal involvement than he had known about and he needed to find out WTF was going on - would that have caused W'Kabi to be more cautious about Erik when he turned up and when Shuri had said he was a US black ops agent.

Would the council allowed the challenge if Erik's links to Klaw had been brought to their attention.

What would have happened if T'Challa had accepted the challenge but instead of doing it straight away had said they should do it properly while saying what he had just found out about his Uncle openly in the council and bringing in Zuri to confirm the story. Would that have taken the wind out of Erik's sails while at the same time force the guy to spend time getting to know Shuri and T'Challa before the fight.

For Killmonger it was as much about his father's death as endin oppression. Would he have been so against T'Challa if T'Challa had openly acknowledged his father's mistakes.

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[–] ExTechOp (2758) 6 years ago

I don't think it was personal - Erik was driven by his ambition and would've stomped anything and anyone in his way

He was simply applying his black ops training to Wakanda's government

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

To tell W'Kabi about the ring would raise questions about T'Chala's throne and the monarchy itself...

Imagine if the queen of England had doubts about the existance of a possible sibling, there is zero chance she'd raise the issue with various other noble families... One could even argue that it would be irresponsible for her to do so as it would jeprodise the monarchy itself, especially as the contender is a hostile agent of a foriegn government...

This kind of secrecy and such is inherent within Monarchy and such systems of control...

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[–] fishpan (544) 6 years ago

It depends when he tells W'Kabi and this issue. If T'Challa had pulled W'Kabi aside and told him about Klaw's escape and the man with the ring at he point where W'Kabi found out Klaw hadn't been captured it. At that point both of them could have gone to Zuri.

Yes it may had raised questions about the throne, but it would have also built trust between the friends as T'Challa and he would be finding out at the same time the truth about what happened with N'Jobu. It would also show that T'Challa was different than his father and Uncle considering N'Jobu was the reason that W'Kabi's parents were dead and not only that he would be giving the border tribe a better postion within the council.

Now imagine a W'Kabi with that information when N'Jobu's boy turns was the one who brought the dead body of Klaw. Would he have been so willing to turn considering his reason for his loyalty to Erik was mostly to do with the fact Erik brought him Klaw's body.

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

I guess I have less faith in these royals games than you do... look at morachies around the world today or from last century... there are always attempts at ousting brothers, fathers and other rivalries... especially when these Monarchs actually rule, rather than the ceremonial ones in the Western World today...

Huge risk in telling a distgruntled tribal leader something like that.. But that's not how it played out in the movie anyway...

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[–] fishpan (544) 6 years ago

I don't think it isn't an issue of faith, it is an issue of politics as much as anything else. Monarchies that where too dictatorial fell easily. One that knew which noble houses to open up to an give leverage too ad when to cut that off thrived. It was a question of who and how much.

Basically it is as T'Chaka told T'Challa in his vision. Surround yourself with people you trust. A good monarch know this and how much to trust.

But trust has to be built upon on give and take. W'Kabi is not happy, it is obvious he wants change, TChalla knew that. So bringing him and by extension the border tribe closer into a circle of trust could give T'Challa time to cement his own position. T'Challa letting W'Kabi know what is going on and finding out about N'Jobu at the same time could show W'Kabi that it wasn't just him that was let down by T'Chaka and by definition give T'Challa time to clean house so to speak as him not knowing plays into Killmonger's plans especially as T'Challa allows the challenge.

It speaks to W'Kabi and the border tribe that T'Challa knew that T'Chaka killed then covered up his brother's death, didn't purse Klaw as he could because it was linked to that cover up and has basically shows they who were the first line of defence for Wakanda were not being paid respect by the throne. All simply because T'Challa didn't open up which in turn lets Killmonger frame the narrative.

I know you can say that seeing that ring and N'Jobu was a family matter and that is why T'Challa kept it to himself, but he is King. He doesn't get private family matters and the death or disappearance of someone who at the time (considering the structure of Wakanda) would have been next in line for the Black Panther, especially if there is a link to someone close to a wanted criminal like Klaw is a matter of state. It is also a matter of military concern and who is in control of the military - W'Kabi.

Know imagine how Killmonger's plan falls down if T'Challa had 'trusted' his friend enough to show him that he got that the narrative they had been fed about Klaw and N'Jobu was iffy.

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[–] goldgoldgold (84) 6 years ago

Not only did T'Challa's dad kill Killmonger's dad, but T'Challa lived a comfortable, privileged life as a prince while Killmonger was abandoned to struggle alone in poverty.

I'm sure jealousy had a lot to do with it.

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[–] Burk48917 (11040) 6 years ago

I agree he was envious ,which seems sort of petulant. I see a lot of people saying they sympathized with Killmonger,but I feel he acts unfairly bitter and immature. Burning the herb so nobody else can use it, trying to kill a good leader so he can be a dictator asshole, directing his anger at someone who had nothing to do with putting him in his situation, not to mention the fact that he clearly killed MANY people without remorse. I think he seems like a real asshole.

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[–] TwistedAcrobat (1725) 6 years ago

I didn't like Killmonger at all. Way too immature.

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[–] goldgoldgold (84) 6 years ago

Don't forget shooting his girlfriend in the face, choking that woman in the herb garden, slitting the Dora's throat...

I think people sympathize with Killmonger because (A) we get to see (and hear) him as an innocent child, (B) he's shown to have vulnerable moments, like when he cries over his father, and (C) he's half-right about Wakanda and the world.

But he's still undeniably the villain.

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