Not even the ususal A24 fanboys enjoyed this one
6.2 on IMDB. 2.9 on Letterboxd. Even the A24 fans think this is garbage.
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Are there really “A24 fanboys”? It’s just an indie distribution company. I can dig indies, but they don’t always hit the mark either.
I do want to check this movie out, because I’m a fan of the writer/director, but I do think it’s a little silly to be a fanboy of a distributor. I mean, just because it’s “indie” doesn’t necessarily make it good.
There is a huge fanbase for the company. Go look up A24 fans group on Facebook. It's like a cult almost
shareI mean, I can appreciate the material that A24 promotes (in comparison to what else is out there), but like anything else, I wouldn’t view their distribution as a guarantee.
When I see “A24”, I think: Ok, it’s not “Hollywood”, but it’s not an instant “yes” either.
Yeah I think there are a lot of people that don't realize A24 is just a distributor
shareYeah, I really, really dislike this movie. And I do follow the A24 label (yes I know it's a distributor). This movie could have been great, but Garland dropped the ball on this imo
shareI don't think A24 are really that Indie at all to be honest, it's the same progressive rhetoric that Hollywood pumps out but done in a more low key stylish way.
Isn't the point of being independent to say something risky that might not go down to well in mainstream culture but is ultimately truthful and will be appreciated by a smaller percentage of the population (with taste)
All these films have the same themes running through them they are just another department of the media brainwashing department hiding under the guise of being cool indie.
I have been suckered in by a couple now and after Saint Maud the penny dropped but i still watched this knowing i was going to be disappointed lol my own fault but they did have the ingredients for a great film, much like all of them but when you boil it down it's just more empty woke fluff, and they are arrogant about it and seem to have no respect for the viewer. They think they are too smart for us.
But the funny thing i thought was that the main Character who was supposed to be the poor victim came off like a bitch and she was cold and selfish throughout the film whereas the 'Men' just spoke common sense.
Totally spiteful to her husband and even though he was ramped up to be overreacting it doesn't change the fact that she went cold on him and was conspiring to divorce him with her friend and slagging him off and disrespecting her marriage vows and he was just suppose to take it in the eyes of the film because of Womens Choice.
How dare he be heartbroken and kill himself putting that burden on her just because she wants to go to wine bars with her mate instead of making the relationship work. She needs a life too god damn it.
Well, I would have been more gungho with repping A24 up until now, but frankly, I've run into a series of really poor movies as of late. (Men and Lamb both come to mind.) So yeah, it is unfortunate; I'm definitely going to be a bit more discriminating in the future, instead of getting excited by seeing the logo. I think Men is an example of a pretentious, vapid film. Which sucks cause, I usually defend these types of movies. You and I had some great conversations for Ghoul and Possum, and those are definitely films that aren't particularly mainstream.
This movie was all flash. Truly. It was beautifully shot imo. But even as a feminist film, it fails completely. I went to see this with a friend who's very left/progressive. And she hated it. She was just like...he's pretending to make a point. But he's not really saying anything at all.
As for the husband...her flaws aside, he was no model husband. I think things sucked for him for sure, but he definitely wasn't a good person either. I also don't think he killed himself though; he just fell, trying to climb into the apartment.
I haven't seen Saint Maud; it didn't work for you either?
You weren't asking me but I'm gonna' interject here.
When it comes to A24 distributed Horror, I'd rank them as follows. (these are all the ones I've seen)
1. The Lighthouse
2. X
3. Midsommar
4. Hereditary
5. The Witch
6. Under the Skin
7. Men
8. Lamb
9. The Blackcoat's Daughter, aka February
10. Saint Maud
11. Slice
Not a fan of Saint Maud, at all. But that's just my opinion.
oo. This is fun. I'll bite. Of the ones I've seen, assuming I can rely on this list of A24 horror movies to be comprehensive:
1. Midsommar
2. The Witch
3. The Lighthouse
4. Hereditary
5. It Comes At Night
6. The Killing of a Sacred Deer
7. X
8. High Life
9. Climax
10. The Blackcoat's Daughter
11. Enemy
12. Lamb
13. Under The Skin
14. Men
I'll probably hit up Saint Maud one of these days. I actually forgot all about it.
It Comes at Night is one I skipped due to some negative reviews. It has a decent rating on IMDB & Letterboxd though...I may watch it at some point.
I see we're pretty much in agreement that Aster & Eggers are carrying A24 Horror to a certain degree (I think most people are). Their films are definitely amongst the best under the A24 banner.
I have my hopes pinned on Pearl later this year. I enjoyed X quite a bit but Pearls trailer looks far better than Xs did so fingers crossed.
As I recall, It Comes At Night was really polarizing. And I understand why. This isn't really a spoiler, but basically, the movie isn't interested in giving the audience contextual details. (It was intentional actually, and they even edited it to keep things vague.) Between that and the misleading teaser trailer, people felt cheated. But I think it does a great job at building suspense and tension, which is pretty cool since there's little background information.
And yeah lmao. After seeing Northman, which I don't necessarily like that much, I'm just like Eggers is on a roll. And Aster, for sure, I'm keeping an eye out for him. Hoping the Phoenix movie is gonna be my cup of tea.
Pearl is looking great. I hope it's not some lame attempt at creating a cinematic universe. It looks like it has its own style, and X was great, so I'm pretty optimistic too!
Ah hi mate i saw your username on a couple of different posts on it was bugging me where i remembered you from.
How am i back here again honestly i don't think iv'e disliked a film more in recent years than this one, And yet. I might watch it again lol
I have to say i love the setting, Rory Kinnear and certain parts are creepy so think this is going to be a love hate film for me. Hate everything else about it with a passion
Ghoul is a pretty good example actually of an actual Intelligent film as opposed to a pretend one. And hardly anyone has seen it, similarly to Primer which is super intelligent i think these types fall through the cracks and the ones that are promoted are the controlled Intellectual ones
The "Men" just spoke common sense?!? Jesus.
I guess I'm just stuck in the middle. I strongly dislike militant feminist ideology, but I'm also disgusted by the kind of misogynist MRA rhetoric you are spouting.
What did he say that was condescending or demeaning?
Perhaps she should feel some guilt over the death of her husband? well she should have.
When did I use the words "condescending" or "demeaning"? I'm just horrified by his saying the men in the movie just spoke common sense. A more understandable objection would be to complain that only awful men were portrayed in the movie, rather than balancing it by showing some good ones. But to say they spoke common sense is crazy. Especially using the plural "men", since there was one male character who wasn't so bad (the owner of the rental).
shareYou used the word misogynist, which implies being demeaning towards women, there may have only been one Actor/character but he appeared in different guises so it was several characters we see.
If the intention of the film was to portray men in a bad light then i don't think they did a good job because all i saw was her acting irrational and freaking out over very little.
The more i think about this film now i do have to wonder if the filmakers have just completely trolled the woke brigade and the film is really making fun of that type of Men/Bastard me victim person
SMH
Overly woke is when people insist on saying it's not only women who get pregnant or have abortions. Or saying large gatherings in public are okay if it's for BLM.
It's not when you say the behavior of the men (I agree, more than two characters even if there were only two male actors) in this movie was unacceptable to varying degrees. I can't imagine seeing it the way you apparently do.
No i have noticed a trend now in all of the A24 films and if you can't see there is a common agenda then i don't know what to say
I would have to re watch it but which part in particular did you think the men were 'unacceptable'
So would you call her a victim then? whole world against her?
I just give it a second run out to see if i got the film wrong and i am now 90 percent sure the is not woke feminist shit it is totally making fun of these type of women.
The whole film is from her perspective and everything is about her and she is always the victim, but she is an unreliable narrator because as we see one conversation play with someone just being upfront and direct with her telling her something she doesn't want to hear. The next scene is either her cying to her friend or the Police or whoever exaggerating the encounter and acting Victimized
We see this behaviour in real life everyday from spoilt people who want everything their own way and if they are slightly challenged or called out on their shit they have a meltdown.
Everything up until The call to her mate when things turn glitchy and surreal are genuine encounters.
Husband fighting to save marriage but she's given up on him and conspires against him with her BFF/Lesbian Lover?
Apart from striking her for being a Cunt what did he really do?
Geoffory is nothing but eccentric and trying to be affable and slightly over chivalrous with her, nothing sinister about him whatsoever.
Creepy wandering bloke is also harmless he just walked into her Garden like a mental patient but one who was bewildered and had no ill intention
Preist gave her a dose of the truth
All the trippy shit is from her irrational perspective nobody was 'out to get her' she needed to get over herself
I hope you're not for real.
I can agree with one thing you said, which is that Geoffrey is basically a decent person, even if he should learn better manners. Every other man we meet in the movie is awful.
I could understand a complaint that they should have better balanced the portrayal of men in the movie so that we were introduced to some decent ones. But to claim that the men we actually did meet are in fact decent? That is either disingenuous trolling, or a disturbing indication of how you see the world.
Well, I enjoyed it.
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