No way was Ruin Johnson going to have a straight white male hero, so he’s retconned Blanc to be gay - a pointless and obvious woke move.
I’m half way through and Johnson’s anti-white racism is on full display as expected.
What a prick.
What in the film leads you to believe he was gay? I just watched it and don't remember anything that suggested he was either straight or gay. Or did the director make some sort of statement that wasn't part of the film, per se?
shareMy reply to another poster should answer your question: https://moviechat.org/tt11564570/Glass-Onion-A-Knives-Out-Mystery/63a64f44a743f33239e44ad7/Benoit-Blanc-is-now-gay?reply=63ad3feefc26150d127350f3
shareNothing in the film suggested homosexuality to me. He was portrayed more like a man out of time, wearing old-fashioned outfits in addition to an old-fashion swimsuit. If the director says he's gay, then I suppose that's canon. It doesn't affect the film, or my enjoyment of it, one way or another.
shareThe issue is that he was retconned into being gay to fulfil the woke agenda. Unwelcome political messaging stuffed into nearly everything that Hollywood produces these days is certainly ruining movies for normal, broad minded people who want entertainment, not propaganda.
shareI'm a normal, broadminded person, and finding out that the director mentioned in an interview that the detective in his film is gay does nothing to affect my enjoyment of the film. Even clarifying Blanc's sexual preference in the film wouldn't make a difference, would it? How does a fictional character being gay ruin a film?
shareThe issue is that he was retconned into being gay to fulfil the woke agenda. Unwelcome political messaging stuffed into nearly everything that Hollywood produces these days is certainly ruining movies for normal, broad minded people who want entertainment, not propaganda.
But nothing in the movie reflects any of this. You're basing this entirely off of a comment the director made. The film itself never once touches on politics, homosexuality, or anything of that sort. What propaganda did you see in the actual film?
shareBut nothing in the movie reflects any of this.
What propaganda did you see in the actual film?
You linked the same post before. I don't agree with what you wrote. I didn't detect any political agenda at work in this film.
shareIt doesn’t matter whether you detected it or not. The film, as with all recent Ruin Johnson films, is stuffed with woke propaganda. Wokism is a racist and sexist political ideology. I suggest you read my replies throughout this thread to get a better idea.
Did you read my OP?
Yes, I read your post.
I'm not onboard with woke-ism, and don't care for political messages being shoved unnecessarily into films, but I did not notice any of that with this film.
It’s stuffed with it, from retconning the straight white male lead into a homosexual, portraying all white characters as immoral scum, an evil white male villain and a black female hero (who is revealed to have been the mastermind behind the white male villain’s wealth and success all along).
Ruin Johnson is insanely woke and crams his movies with this racist, sexist political ideology. How could you miss it?
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The issue is that he was retconned into being gay to fulfil the IMAGINARY woke agenda. Unwelcome political messaging stuffed into nearly everything that Hollywood produces these days is certainly ruining movies for ABnormal, NARROW minded people who want entertainment, not propaganda.
FIXED IT FOR YOU.😘
Yeah try quoting me accurately instead of perverting what I wrote into some creepy gaslight where you you try, and fail, to convince people that the woke onslaught isn’t happening. What you're attempting is not dissimilar to holocaust denial, and just as skin crawling.
shareJUDGING BY THE WAY YOU SPEAK...I IMAGINE YOU ARE NOT QUITE SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND YOUR MISTAKES ANYWAY.
shareYou make it sound like there was nothing objectionable about the movie until Johnson confirmed Blanc's. So you just object to the idea of Blanc being gay, although it makes no material difference to the movie. Sounds like the movie only became propaganda once you learned a piece of incidental trivia about one of the characters.
Does it count as political messaging if the director needs to point out in an interview "Oh by the way...".
Gay people just existing is not a political message either, except in a context where they are prohibited or oppressed for being gay and existing.
Blanc being gay is about as political as a person having a star on the top of their christmas tree instead of a fairy (or vice versa). By which I mean it doesn't become political until some uptight fool starts casting suspicion around the choice of fairy/star.
The issue is that he was retconned into being gay to fulfil the woke agenda. Unwelcome political messaging stuffed into nearly everything that Hollywood produces these days is certainly ruining movies for normal, broad minded people who want entertainment, not propaganda.
shareBut he's not straight in the movie so he can't be retconned into being gay.
It's categorically NOT stuffed into the movie. Or Johnson wouldn't have to be pinned down to an answer in an interview.
Only people who learned that piece of trivia from an interview given by Johnson and had already voluntarily imposed their preferred sexuality on the character (in itself, arguably a political choice made by the viewer without the movie asking them to) could have their enjoyment of the movie affected by it.
People complaining about non-existent changes things that weren't ever set in the first place aren't the kind of people I would instinctively call broad minded either.
By the way. Putting "the woke agenda" in bold all the time doesn't mean that everyone needs to accept it as a physical constant which vindicates all your fears and suspicions. It just tells everyone what your agenda is and people will value or ignore your "arguments" accordingly. Those that haven't already come here with an agenda to hear about how "the woke agenda" is affecting them today.
More bullshit gaslighting. The first film gave no indication that Blanc was gay, and with 96% of people being straight then of course that means that Benoit Daniel-Craig-James-Bond Blanc is straight, ‘cis-gendred’, a human etc etc… whatever the statistical norm is unless an alternative is put forward.
The second film as part of Hollywood’s relentless woke agenda retcons Blanc into a homosexual because straight white male heroes are a no-no. You know this, and so does everyone else, especially the little woke cockroaches in this board trying to gaslight people into thinking ‘there’s nothing to see here’.
By all means continue trying to gaslight, but you’ll just be instantly called out and publicly humiliated again. Your call.
Prove it was a retcon.
shareDrop the smug, commanding tone and ask me with sincere kindness and respect and I’ll consider doing so.
shareLol what are you twelve years old? Burden of proof is on you. You made the claim now prove it.
shareI’m happy to prove it, once you’ve dropped the smug, commanding tone and asked me to do so with sincere kindness and respect.
Okay. Please prove to us how it was a retcon sir.
shareThat’ll do. I will correct you up front and state there is no ‘us’ here - I’m addressing you and you alone. Nobody genuinely doubts that the homosexualising of Blanc is anything other than a woke retcon by Ruin Johnson, and I’m sure you don’t either but since you asked pleasantly enough I’ll take your question at face value.
It’s a retcon because Blanc was not gay in the first film, his sexuality was never alluded to. Given that 94% of people are straight and there were zero signs of homosexuality in Blanc, played by alpha male James Bond Danial Craig no less, the natural assumption was that he was straight. That film was an enormous success and people loved Craig’s Benoit Blanc - a perfect new character for him to play now that he was winding down Bond.
Ruin Johnson, being a sexist and racist woke fanatic, isn’t comfortable with a straight white male lead and he could now afford to make the switch. So Blanc was retconned into a homosexual - he is in his 50’s and lives with another man who he talks to while in the bath, he prances around Bron’s island in a camp striped bathing suit and pink scarf, and he is repulsed by the constant advances of an attractive bikini-clad woman throughout the film. Naturally, this led people to correctly believe he was now a homosexual, and Ruin Johnson then confirmed this in an interview, saying ‘Yes, he obviously is.’
Johnson has form with this kind of thing - humiliating and disempowering Luke Skywalker, and of course this is all happening while Hollywood is cramming woke propaganda into nearly everything they produce. Retconning Blanc into a homosexual is one of countless examples of the wokification of mainstream Hollywood output.
Now, when Hitler conducted the holocaust he needed to pretend to the world that it wasn’t happening… so that it could continue. Similarly, what you see on this board are wokists trying to run defence for Johnson, and Hollywood, desperately trying to gaslight readers into thinking ‘there’s nothing to see here’. Will you turn out to be one such fanatic? Let’s find out by observing how you respond to this post…
Lol yeah as I thought you are full of crap. A retcon means they went back and changed something that was clearly established. Since his sexual orientation was never addressed they were free to do what they wanted with it. Anyways enjoy your echo chamber you are a joke.
shareErr, no, Johnson retconned Blanc into a homosexual. He wasn’t before, now he is, for the reasons I’ve just clearly explained to you.
As predicted you’ve outed yourself as yet another woke bitch running defence for Queen Bitch of Woke Ruin Johnson.
Blanc was neither gay nor straight at the beginning. He was only supposed to have a light Southern accent. Rian left it up to the actor who hadn’t been cast yet to form Blanc. The way Craig portrayed him led to defining his sexuality. They said it was right. Both Craig and Rian said this.
“The character is well-written and through both Knives Out and its sequel, the character’s dress-sense, as well as the dynamics of his interaction with other characters has been enough to suggest that he was always orientated the way he has now been revealed to be.”
Why do you care so much? It wasn’t a shock to most us. But it seems to be personal to you.
He is one of those right wing boot lickers stuck and angry things are not like they used to be in the 1800's.
shareToo many protestations just raise a red flag for this guy.
shareI’m happy to have raised a ‘red flag’ amongst you cultists because I don’t buy any of your horseshit and call you out on every dirty tactic you deploy.
shareNo you are just some sad little incel. Get back in your echo chamber.
shareThis is my thread, you obnoxious little cunt. Nobody invited you, fuck off back to your woke cult. Go nosh off Ruin Johnson.
shareReported.
shareUnfortunately for you the mods will see that I was perfectly decent towards you until you started hurling abuse, ya nasty little shit.
shareNo you were not. You lobbed an insult at me for disagreeing with you. Show where I called you the vulgar stuff you called me.
shareFirst you’ll make a huge sincere apology for your obnoxious behaviour in this thread, then beg me to fetch the evidence… and I’ll consider doing so.
shareLol yeah nope. I have all the evidence I need of your bigoted posts.
shareYes, ‘you have all the evidence you need’, so why are you asking other people to run around and fetch it for you? Fuck off and find it yourself.
What ‘bigoted posts’? You woke maggots can’t help yourself from making false accusations. You're just pissed that the mods aren’t falling for them. Ya nasty little shit.
I gave you the chance to prove your claim and you backed away. I will count that as a concession. Scoreboard me 4 you 0.
shareWhenever you’ve been utterly trounced on these boards you pull your sad imaginary ‘scoreboard’ out of your ass and pretend to yourself you’ve ‘won’. Fucking pathetic 🤣
Now, I want you to write the following phrase: ‘Scoreboard me 5 you 0.’ to confirm to everyone here that you’re a dumb woke bitch who takes it in both ends…
Scoreboard me 5 you 0.
shareI knew it.
shareThis is a good time to maybe go for a walk. Get out of the house or maybe your room. And breathe.
shareYou’d like that I’m sure but I’m quite happy here speaking the truth here in my thread. You weren’t invited and you’ve made no worthwhile contributions so feel free to sod off on your own walk.
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No, I’m just normal and can see what’s going on here. You’re a dumb wokist trying to gaslight people into believing the blatant woke capture of Hollywood isn’t occurring.
shareI can call out wokeness when I see it but what you are attempting here is pathetic. No retcon took place. Learn the meaning of the word. His sexual orientation would have had to have been established in the previous film in order for a retcon to have taken place.
shareErr, no, Johnson retconned Blanc into a homosexual. He wasn’t before, now he is, for the reasons I’ve just clearly explained to you.
As predicted you’ve outed yourself as yet another woke bitch running defence for Queen Bitch of Woke Ruin Johnson.
No his orientation was never stated in the original. Therefore what he was had never been established. Big difference.
shareBullshit. It’s a retcon because Blanc was not gay in the first film, his sexuality was never alluded to. Given that 94% of people are straight and there were zero signs of homosexuality in Blanc, played by alpha male James Bond Danial Craig no less, the natural assumption was that he was straight. That film was an enormous success and people loved Craig’s Benoit Blanc - a perfect new character for him to play now that he was winding down Bond.
Ruin Johnson, being a sexist and racist woke fanatic, isn’t comfortable with a straight white male lead and he could now afford to make the switch. So Blanc was retconned into a homosexual - he is in his 50’s and lives with another man who he talks to while in the bath, he prances around Bron’s island in a camp striped bathing suit and pink scarf, and he is repulsed by the constant advances of an attractive bikini-clad woman throughout the film. Naturally, this led people to correctly believe he was now a homosexual, and Ruin Johnson then confirmed this in an interview, saying ‘Yes, he obviously is.’
Johnson has form with this kind of thing - humiliating and disempowering Luke Skywalker, and of course this is all happening while Hollywood is cramming woke propaganda into nearly everything they produce. Retconning Blanc into a homosexual is one of countless examples of the wokification of mainstream Hollywood output.
You just undercut your own narrative. His orientation was never alluded to hence it was never established. Which makes you free to make him whatever you please. In order for a retcon to take place he had to have been straight originally.
shareI didn’t ‘undercut my own narrative’, I just copied and pasted the exact same text, dumbass.
In the absence of contravening evidence then the assumption is that he was straight, just as he was ‘cis-gendered’, or human, or whatever the obvious statistical norm is.
This was then retconned once it was financially safe for Johnson to do so, and Blanc was transformed into a homosexual because Johnson’s woke cult dictates that you cannot have a straight white male hero.
Stop pretending you don’t already know this. Stop trying to gaslight people. It isn’t working.
Wait I thought it was go woke go broke?
shareYes, that’s why Johnson waited until he secured a Netflix deal before retconning Blanc into a homosexual 🤦🏻♂️
shareFunny the first Knives out cost 40 million to make and made 311 million worldwide. That film by you folks is considered woke. Also in order for a retcon to have taken place his orientation would have to have been established. His orientation was never alluded to or touched upon. Therefore no retcon took place. You have to provide that evidence.
Also Avatar the way of water is a woke film. Yet it made tons of money... The Batman you consider woke as well yet made money... Man I am starting the think the go woke go broke thing isn't necessarily true.
Idiot. There are obvious gradations of wokeness. Even Top Gun Maverick has traces of woke with the hilarious notion that America’s elite fighter pilots would include women 🤣
The first Knives Out didn’t rub your nose in its wokeness (it needed to gain the trust of a general audience) Glass Onion does - suddenly retconning Blanc into a homosexual, now that Johnson has nothing to lose financially.
Anyway, it’s good to see you spotting and calling out woke movies - at least you’ve made some progress through these classes.
No retcon took place. If that were so they would have specifically stated Blanc's orientation. They never did. Okay the film Get Out is very woke by your standards. Still made a nice profit. What's the excuse on that one?
shareThe retcon absolutely did take place for the reasons I’ve explained, dumbass. Go re-read what I wrote and pay attention this time.
Okay the film Get Out is very woke by your standards. Still made a nice profit. What's the excuse on that one?
Nope in order for a retcon to take place his orientation had to have been clearly established and stated. It clearly was not unfortunately for you.
Ha nope you don't set the standards or call any shots. Kick rocks incel.
The retcon absolutely did take place for the reasons I’ve explained, dumbass. Go re-read what I wrote and pay attention this time.
The standards of decency apply to everyone. You have been an obnoxious cunt and you won’t get anything you want until you’ve first apologised to me and everyone else, and then you’ll need to beg me to answer your question.
Count yourself lucky that I’m even giving you that option, you're owed nothing. You're worth nothing.
Nope you just have no idea what a retcon is. Your explanations are irrelevant. Learn the definition of retcon.
I'm not apologizing to trash like you. Be quiet little incel and let the adults speak.
It’s you who doesn’t understand the meaning of ‘retcon’, you stupid fuck.
If you’re not going to apologise then fuck off. Nobody owes you anything you markless shitstain.
I understand it perfectly. It's why I didn't accept your attempt to say it occurred. Learn the definition of it before speaking.
Nope I have a right to be here just like you. Don't like it well too bad bud.
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ret·con
/ˈretˌkän/
noun
(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
"we're given a retcon for Wilf's absence from Donna's wedding in ‘The Runaway Bride’: he had Spanish Flu"
verb
revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.
"I think fans get more upset when characters act blatantly out of established type, or when things get retconned"
Isn't it hilarious how stupid he is? He literally does not even know the meaning of the word.
shareLiterally just watched "Knives Out" for the first time, and while his sexuality isn't ever alluded to, I gotta say that it doesn't surprise me in the least if indeed he is revealed to be gay in the second movie...
shareAll you have to do is identify the point in Knives Out where Blanc's sexuality was defined as straight. Should be simple enough. We'll wait here.
All you have to do is re-read my post and comprehend it. It’s laughable that you expect me to jump through hoops for some sad woke little shit, trying and failing to gaslight readers into thinking ‘there’s nothing to see here’ 🤣
Bullshit. It’s a retcon because Blanc was not gay in the first film, his sexuality was never alluded to. Given that 94% of people are straight and there were zero signs of homosexuality in Blanc, played by alpha male James Bond Danial Craig no less, the natural assumption was that he was straight. That film was an enormous success and people loved Craig’s Benoit Blanc - a perfect new character for him to play now that he was winding down Bond.
Ruin Johnson, being a sexist and racist woke fanatic, isn’t comfortable with a straight white male lead and he could now afford to make the switch. So Blanc was retconned into a homosexual - he is in his 50’s and lives with another man who he talks to while in the bath, he prances around Bron’s island in a camp striped bathing suit and pink scarf, and he is repulsed by the constant advances of an attractive bikini-clad woman throughout the film. Naturally, this led people to correctly believe he was now a homosexual, and Ruin Johnson then confirmed this in an interview, saying ‘Yes, he obviously is.’
I care because it’s yet another example of the ideological capture of a Hollywood by woke fanatics. As a wokist yourself, you naturally want to try and gaslight readers into believing this isn’t taking place. You’ve failed, of course.
If as you say his sexuality was never alluded to, the by definition it can't be a retcon. Since there is no previous allusion to contradict, a retcon cannot categorically exist in Glass Onion.
Maybe Johnson is woke. And so are Knives Out and Glass Onion.
But at least they aren't ignorant and illiterate.
In the absence of contravening evidence then the assumption is that he was straight, just as he was ‘cis-gendered’, or human, or whatever the obvious statistical norm is.
This was then retconned once it was financially safe for Johnson to do so, and Blanc was transformed into a homosexual because Johnson’s woke cult dictates that you cannot have a straight white male hero.
Stop pretending you don’t already know this. Stop trying to gaslight people. It isn’t working, you obnoxious little woke turd.
He was nothing before. His orientation was never alluded to. Therefore he was free to make him what he wanted. That is not a retcon. Look up the definition of what that word means. It is when the story changes something that is already established previously. His orientation was never established it was open to do with whatever he wanted.
shareErr, no, Johnson retconned Blanc into a homosexual. He wasn’t before, now he is, for the reasons I’ve just clearly explained to you.
As predicted you’ve outed yourself as yet another woke bitch running defence for Queen Bitch of Woke Ruin Johnson.
You haven't explained how and when Knives Out told us he wasn't gay.
All you do is constantly contradict yourself by saying his sexuality was never alluded to (which in effect means that him being straight was not alluded to as much as him being gay was not alluded to) but then you contradict yourself by saying that we were told he wasn't gay before.
You're gay now for making this thread and not understanding English (this claim makes as much sense as yours does)
In the absence of contravening evidence then the assumption is that he was straight, just as he was ‘cis-gendered’, or human, or whatever the obvious statistical norm is.
This was then retconned once it was financially safe for Johnson to do so, and Blanc was transformed into a homosexual because Johnson’s woke cult dictates that you cannot have a straight white male hero.
Stop pretending you don’t already know this. Stop trying to gaslight people. It isn’t working, you obnoxious little woke turd.
Ignorant. Illiterate.
shareNo, that’s you, ya dumb fuck. Go back and read what I wrote and comprehend it this time.
shareThe problem is I already comprehend the English language, and I'm not about to adopt your special little perverse interpretations of what clearly defined words like "alluded", "retcon" and "comprehend" are.
shareStupid fuck. I’ve used every single word accurately, you're just pissed that nobody is falling for your gaslighting, or your pathetic woke tactic of trying to redefine words.
Johnson retconned Blanc into a homosexual as part of his woke agenda and everyone, including you, knows it.
By all means keep trying to gaslight people into thinking otherwise but you’ll just get exposed and publicly humiliated again, and again. Your call.
Blanc being gay doesn’t bother me, but I have to admit that the Blanc that we see in Glass Onion is almost a different character from the Blanc in Knives Out and it took me out of the film a bit.
His wardrobe was significantly different in this film: the smoking cap in the bath, the neck scarf, his swimwear, his outfit at dinner with Helen, etc. They all seemed like wild choices considering how he was dressed in Knives Out. I chopped it up to him being on a tropical island and therefore wouldn’t be wearing a wool suit, but it was just so different in style that it felt forced to me.
Even his personality seemed different. He was showing a lot of emotionality at the end when he had solved the crime and explained it. He was yelling about Miles’ crime being dumb, like he was very angry over it. Even the excitement he showed when Helen reported back to him seemed unnatural compared to the Blanc from Knives out. That Blanc showed much less emotionality throughout the film, especially when he explained the crime at the end. The Blanc from Knives out seemed like a seasoned detective who’d seen it all. I wouldn't say the reveal of his sexuality was at issue for me, but rather the contrast from the character in Knives Out.
Yep, Johnson certainly camped him up as part of retconning Blanc into a homosexual as per the woke agenda (we can’t have straight white male heroes anymore now can we? See Johnson’s other woke travesty The Last Jedi for more evidence of this)
What’s next, Blanc mincing around making bitchy remarks about women’s fashion and then flamboyantly heading home to get nuts-deep in Hugh Grant? That’s the level of sophistication I expect from Johnson for the third film.
Or maybe he’ll continue his retcon trend and upgrade Blanc into the first black transgender mutant super-sleuth. You know, the kind of thing the wokies are doing with Velma.
I don't mind a change like this as long as it doesnt hurt the story. It was still a good movie.
shareI found it distracted from the story, it was more eye-rolling woke.
The story itself was reasonably entertaining as it went along, but turned into a big mess at the end, and in retrospect much of the earlier stuff didn’t make sense.
I doubt the third film will get as many views.