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Why not terraform Venus?


They would be invulnerable to the acid clouds of Venus and it's pretty much identical to earth in size. Plus it would be awesome in the intergalactic wars to have a planet full of Supermen next door

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Well, to be fair to MoS they did establish it was the atmosphere that gives them powers, not sunlight like it should have been. Meaning they would die on Venus. But you actually are right. Clearly if they could turn a prison into an FTL ship then reengineer that ship to world engine a planet... surely they could have terraformed Venus or Mars (I'd go with mars personally, you'd have to put less crap in the atmosphere to get the average radiation and or temperature down.)

You are absolutely right, Zod was an idiot. He's leading an endangered species and WAR is his first choice? As advanced as they are is any amount of risk to the very few members of his entire species worth anything they could gain by conflict? To a rational mind... no.

"Who built this f#(%!^g police station." -- Leon Kennedy

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It was actually both. They took him out of the sun AND changed atmosphere and it drained his powers.

It wouldn't matter about temperature because they'd be invincible.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giM4Nn5Xc2M

1. BVS 2. TWS 3. Avengers

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1. BVS 2. TWS 3. Avengers

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is this your ranking of best Comic book Movies?

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Not sure how would he rank on 1st place a movie that doesn't exist ...

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Not sure how would he rank on 1st place a movie that doesn't exist ...

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I have no idea what this means?

could you please restate this to where I might understand it.

I'm not trying to be mean, I honestly just dont understand what you are saying?

are you saying The Movie BVS doesnt exist? If so That just doesnt make sense to me?

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Nvm, the way it was written looked like he was referring to BvS 2 :D

My bad,

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But the Sun wasn't a large enough contributor yet. And it takes time for powers to develop. So they'd get baked alive on entry.

Why do films need to fill in every non hole someone could possibly erroneously concieve? People can't use their brains anymore? This seems like an odd trend on Imdb.

What does an Italian say when he moves to Canada? I use to live in a boot.

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"Well, to be fair to MoS they did establish it was the atmosphere that gives them powers, "

So they unless a world machine that completely changes the atmosphere.

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Zod, despite all his speechifying about protecting Krypton, not only wanted to remake Krypton through what he saw as superior bloodlines, he wanted to exact vengeance on Kal-El--not just find the codex. He said it to Lara ("I will find him!") before being banished to the Phantom Zone,

Later, when he's arguing with Jor-El's computer program consciousness, Zod says: "You have Jor-El's memories; his conscience. Can you experience his pain? I will harvest the codex from your son's corpse, and I will rebuild Krypton atop his bones."

Zod wanted vengeance more than he wanted to rebuild Krypton. He wasn't some focused man of principle who only wanted to save Krypton as he was born to do. No, Zod wanted to do it at the expense of Jor-El--ghost or otherwise--and Kal-El's life.

So terraforming Venus or any other planet where the son of Jor-El does not reside just doesn't make sense to a twisted villain like Zod.

Hope that clears everything up.

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Yup, it proves my point. It makes Zod completely irrational and the rest of the Kryptonians even more stupid for following him to their deaths. Its the kind of thing written from the perspective of (or just written by) children or teenagers as opposed to adults. Rather than a villain that's complex, nuanced, truly formidable, and potentially a little bit right (like the best villains,) Zod's just a dumb space nazi punching bag.

"Who built this f#(%!^g police station." -- Leon Kennedy

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You make a valid point. Which, if any, of these super-hero movies features a "complex, nuanced, truly formidable, and potentially a little bit right" villain?

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Well fully Verbal Kint complex and formidable and all that bad guy... not many in comic book movies. But better than the Snyderverse stuff... most of them. The source material that DC is working with contains plenty of really good villains... if written well. But as far as other movies are concerned. Loki comes to mind, from the Marvel universe. Hell, complex and nuanced... in his first appearance in the MCU Mordo was nearly as much the hero of the piece as was Steven Strange. Zemo, formidable enough to tear apart the Avengers and he is just a normal person with no super powers. Complex and nuanced enough to keep himself and his motives hidden for most of the film and like a well written Lex its believable that someone with that much smarts and planning could be so close to successful. Sure his motives were fairly simple, but it didn't make him irrational. Fox gave us their version of Magneto, and from a mutant standpoint he makes some pretty good points. His viewpoint as a holocaust survivor gives his villainy a real interesting look as he's seeing historical parallels... in a story that's as relevant today as it ever was.

"Who built this f#(%!^g police station." -- Leon Kennedy

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Yours are good villains examples.
I think the best one is Magneto: once you know his origin (WWII, Nazis and all), it makes his paranoia fully believable.

OTOH Zod is way less convincing: his fruitless ruthlessness makes him look like an angry fool, not a true leader. He looks like a by-the-numbers monodimensional villain.

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All of those good examples happen to be villains from Marvel, and who had the benefit of being given their interesting backstories in the comics over the years. I'm not sure Zod ever was an interesting character. I suppose, flawed as he is, the film attempted to provide him some sort of interesting characteristics by way of his having been born to ensure Krypton's survival, but as far as ever being a multideimensional character in the first place or over the years via added on attributes (like in the case of Magneto), I don't believe he ever was. Maybe the General Zod experts can clue us in on that.

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Magneto

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Zod was being irrational. His obsession totally overwhelmed his reasoning.

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Jor-El told World Engines were used to adapt atmospheric environments, not to create atmospheres, and even when Kal-El asks why Earth, Zod says "Foundations must be build on somerhing", as if it's necessary some kind of "valid sustract". Plus, we can suppose the world engine doesn't work on any environment, as the previous users perished even having one, and considering Zod's crew were almost out of power (they an't even switch on the world engine alone, but using the ship as a slave supplier) and hadn't used the machine yet.

All that elements and facts might tell that the world engine doesn't work magically everywhere, or if it would, most of its users were kind of unprofessional in obtaining results with it.

My conclusion: It's pretty evident the world engine has its limitations, and can adapt existing habitable environments to optim conditions for krytponians, but can't create habitable ambients from nothing.

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They didn't know about the powers they would get when they first came to Earth.

They saw life on Earth, plants, etc just like Krypton and so it made the most sense.

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Kal-El was the first natural birth on Krypton in centuries. Unlike most of them he wasn't engineered. The rest of his people were designed for specific functions, making their race like a complicated hive with many castes. Zod and his people were soldiers for example. But the death of Kryptonian civilization, on their homeworld and every single one of their colonies, showed that their system was fundamentally flawed. Something Zod could never see. His failure to find an alternative to exterminating humanity had more to do with not wanting to share power with them than any practical consideration - and his fanatical devotion to his mission drove him to irrational extremes. A tunnel vision he suffered because of his own nature which, again, he was blind to.

If the world engine could transform the Earth's environment it could probably have done the same on Venus, or Mars. Or Zod could have just founded a new society on one of the other planets where his people had already lived, once he had the codex. I'm sure Superman would have given it to him voluntarily if not for his plan to kill off the human race. You have to wonder about a giant terraforming machine that has automated defenses though. Why build those in, unless you're expecting attacks by desperate natives trying to shut it down? Were those General Zod's additions or were ancient Kryptonians in the business of terraforming worlds whether they were already inhabited or not?

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Because Zod is on a mission and doesn't want to waste time. He doesn't consider the humans a threat, and neither Superman for that matter because his powers were nullified.

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I guess they could have. For us it would be nearly impossible but for them? Hmmmmm.

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I don't know.

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