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Oscar Isaac did not come across as intelligent enough...


To invent such a piece of technology. With all his 'bro' language, getting smashed and not figuring out Ava's scheme.

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YES...I AGREE.HE SEEMED LIKE THE GUY THE INVENTOR WOULD HIRE TO DO MEEINGS AND INTERVIEWS FOR HIM.

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Never judge a book by its cover.

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Never judge a book by its cover?

This only applies if the cover can be 100% separate from the text and doesn't necessarily tell you ANYTHING about the book. Sometimes you CAN judge a book by its cover, for example, if the cover accurately describes what the book is supposed to be about. If the cover says the book iss about Quantum Mechanics, do you honestly expect the the book itself to be an anime story about a farmer's daughter?

Also, this works with people ONLY to a certain degree - most of the time, you ABSOLUTELY can assess people's personalities, what they like and hate, what type of people they are, how wealthy they are and so on from just a quick glance. People's clothes, make-up, hairstyles, tattoos or lack thereof, teeth condition, skin condition, etc. can tell you a LOT about them.

Not to mention 'cover' is just a picture, but people have SO MUCH personality just in their face, then there are SO MANY other layers you can acquire a ton of information from, from the voice, to their movement style, walking style, athleticism level, posture, intonation, words they use, mistakes they make and so on and so on and SO ON!

So it's not really a wise thing to say, especially when this guy is SO obviously a 'party dude' instead of a 'programmer nerd'.

There's a REASON why the nerd stereotype is what it is, you simply HAVE to dedicate yourself to the programming/whatever you are making, or you CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. This thug dedicates about 90% of his life to beer, women, partying, and other thug behaviour, that of the remaining 10% of his life, he would definitely NOT be able to get any genius-level programming done.

What you don't seem to understand, is that when you have a project, you become that project. You don't just program for an hour and then go to a party. You program for 4 hours obsessively so you don't notice how hungry and thirsty you are until it hits you, then you go relieve yourself, take a gulp or a bite, and go back for another 4 hours.

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But that's not even my point yet.

I mean, you don't STOP programming just because you 'stop programming'. You think about your program and the problems you solved, the applications of the knowledge you acquired by doing that, no matter where you are or what you are doing - eating, watching TV, playing a game, walking in the forest - it doesn't matter.

You can't take the programmer out of yourself just by 'doing something else', you will still be thinking of alternative solutions to your problem you already solved, you will be trying to think of more elegant ways to code a certain thing, you will be completely pre-occupied by wondering if a completely new approach would solve the current problem, and many times, you DO find the solution when you are doing 'something completely different'.

If you write a book, it's the same thing, everywhere you look reminds you of a character you are writing, a scenery you could utilize, an event that could happen, or a storyline point or something. You don't just write a book, you BECOME the book, you live and breathe your characters, you advance the story in your mind when you're buying groceries, you barely notice other people when you are at the verge of solving a story problem, AND SO ON.

This applies to everything 'creative' or 'mentally complicated' - you won't just be able to let go of the programming just because you sit in the livingroom with some nerd, you would ABSOLUTELY talk about your programs and projects and be DELIGHTED to have someone that understands your code, programming techniques, approaches, projects, and what you're trying to do.

You would NOT say to another nerd excited by your project, 'talk like a human being and drink beer with me', you would be saying 'come and look how I solved this programming problem'.

It's NOT a case of 'judging a book by the cover', but even if it was - well, sometimes the cover REALLY does tell you a lot about the book.

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The reason why nerds are usually socially awkward, with bad pose and nerdy hair, speaking style and maybe introvertic nature, is that they don't have time or energy for 'useless crap' like parties or hairstyles. They can't AFFORD to care about those things, or their projects would suffer.

There's an ENORMOUS plethora of reasons why the 'nerd stereotype' is what it is and exists, and you can't believably SWAP that into a 'thug party dude' and just put glasses on him and call it a day. It just doesn't work, because a nerd works very hard inside a room, completely immersed by his work, which causes all the 'side-effects'.

You CAN'T take an alcoholic muscle-thug and make him into a nerd - it doesn't work for the same kind of reason. Programming and such introvertic activities do not interest macho muscle dudes, because their priorities are elsewhere. They're more 'outgoing' and they focus on beer and women because those things are not only accessible to them, but also bring pleasure, so they don't see what else they should be doing.

You can't fit these two stereotypes and mash them together, because they live in separate worlds, completely separate lives. There's only a LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME in a day, and these two people types make different choices on how to spend that time. You can't have all these party dude traits and then call him a genius programmer, because you don't have enough time in a day to be both, plus all that I just described about being swept away by your project that doesn't happen to party dudes, but happens to nerds, writers, computer artists and such.

I don't mind if he just didn't 'look the part' ('a book cover'), but his BEHAVIOUR is more in contrast to what he's TOLD to be (show, don't tell!), and that is NO LONGER judging a book by its cover, it's assessing its really bad character writing by its really bad character behaviour.

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Always nice knowing how to scroll past all this pointless drivel

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i also thought he didn't play the part well.
it may be that he was locked down for so long he became more and more idiotic (?)

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His performance was fine. In fact he's who really held my attention the most throughout. I do agree though that within the context of the story that he did not come off as this tech genius that he was built up to be. Not just in the way that he presented himself but how he gets outsmarted by Ava and this random tech employee & didn't have enough forethought to place safeguards that would prevent his AI from murdering him.

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Stick to frenology and you might get some head.

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Yes, this is one of the stupid tropes of story authors and moviemakers who think they're 'oh, so clever' for 'flipping the script' and presenting, what should be a total, Melvin-like (War Games) nerd as a buff, gym-obsessed, thuglike party-'dude' that looks, acts, talks, behaves and expresses himself EXACTLY as some idiotic, muscle-bound jock would, instead of someone who's supposed to be a genius nerd.

There are people that work in the external world (hooking up with people, working out, partying, having a vast social circle to constantly be in contact with) and then there are people that work in the internal world (think of Einstein, who didn't even want to bother with 'what he's gonna wear', let alone 'partying and gyms', to the extent that he had multiple 'exact same wardrobes', so he wouldn't have to dedicate ANY brain or thinking power to such materialistic, useless thoughts or pursuits).

There's NO WAY that a party jock like this would be able to program, let alone program anything 'genius level'. The one OBVIOUS reason is, he would NOT have the time, from trying to satisfy his animalistic addictions - alcohol, working out, women, 'health food obsession' and so on. He thinks about those things SO MUCH that there's just no brain power or time that's allocated to programming.

He even interrupts the actual nerd every time he's saying something nerdy, and behaves as if that kind of talk bores him (exactly what a jock-thug-partydude would do whenever he doesn't understand anything more complicated than 'sup'). A real programmer nerd would NOT do this, but they would get EXCITED about the programming aspect, they would find it not only fascinating, but constantly thinking about it and being really happy about being able to share their programming techniques, insights, how they solved certain problems and so on.

There's NOTHING about this meticulously head-shaven THUG that oozes even tiny piece of 'I am a genius programmer'. Nothing.

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Well said.

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Maybe he needed a larger and higher forehead.

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He gave a performance so breathtaking that I watched the entire movie just to see him. His best role for me. But the story was shoddy, and clashed with his performance, which would have taken me out of the picture had Isaac not delivered the performance of his lifetime.

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