instead of making a show with a strong female lead and building a fan base they just try to take a fan base over this and other things how bout make two Timelord shows keeping a The Doctor male and making another fun Timelord that's female from the start I would watch Both shows instead of Not watching Doctor Who now.
shareWhy?
shareThey did.
Star Trek Voyager.
well yes but it should be a more common practice because when they do it it works better than a woman taking over a male role but they wanted to break timelords where males regenerated male until the revive imagine if Patrick Stewart's character got blasted with some radiation and all it did was change xy into xx and he was replaced by a female actress and acted not like Jean-Luc Picard at all
shareAnd it worked well - I hope they give Janeway a comeback/guest appearance in the new Captain Picard Show.
(So I can get the picture of Kate Mulgrew in Orange is The New Black out of my head) ;)
They really damaged their prospects by trying to use Whittaker as a social engineering strategy and as a result offending quite a few people (though not everyone).
I would like to see a strong female lead as well. I don't think the current crop of writers would be able to that especially under certain fanboy showrunning/producer efforts. A good writer or artist has a sense of scale and subtlety - this capability has been lost for decades in Doctor Who as far as I can see. If they lack the necessary skill how can they create a convincing female lead. The classic writers had depth (they were not "genre writers"/genre fiction writers ie. attempt to mimic styles and ideas instead of create original stories) and the actors lent charm and believability to the characters. It could be successful if only they hired staff whose heads were not dosed in heavy fumes of fanfiction fantasy land.
An why a strong female lead?
This is a list of character traits for writers:
http://www.fiction-writers-mentor.com/list-of-character-traits/
It has 443 traits. 'Strong' is placed the #383. There's 442 remaining. Nowadays, 80% of female characters focus in 0.2% of traits. It's like Pareto on steroids, and then some.
It's boring.
"as a result offending quite a few people"
Offending? What would have to be wrong with someone to be 'offended' by a gender change? Are people really that fragile?
The only problem with this series is that the stories are just drab. That Kerblam! was the best one was telling - they need fresh writers stat.
Kerblam was nothing like the best one so far. It featured some quite obvious Doctor Who call backs at the outset but then the plot utterly disintegrated about halfway through.
The last two episodes have been miles better. And ones prior to it will stand up to Kerblam quite easily even if they weren't particularly good either.
I haven't seen the next two yet, lagging behind because it's largely been quite uninspiring.
shareBecause they're not interested about the character itself. It's all about making political points.
Another example: have you seen all those movies about strong women that can fight like a man... while men think they're not strong enough?. Well, men think they're not strong enough because in our world they aren't. However, when you story takes place in some universe where women can fight like men, chances are most people think they can, because in that world they can. If you're an screenwriter who cares about storytelling, you should be interested in developing such an universe (after all, one of the favorite things for any REAL storyteller is world building).
Have you seen it?. No. Why? Because it would take away virtue signaling. And nowadays, it's all about that.
Because they're not interested about the character itself. It's all about making political points.
Totally agree. My enjoyment of Doctor Who has been up and down (but never out) ever since it came back. This series is no better and no worse than any I've seen.
The lazy sentiments supposedly worrying about all the qualities that make a good programme being overlooked in favour of the politics of having a woman playing the Doctor are utterly ludicrous.
It doesn't mean you have to enjoy it as much as others do or as much as you might have enjoyed past series (see my first paragraph). But the arguments as to why are pure nonsense.
What would be the point of having woman play the doctor if it's not acknowledged in the show? Every distinguishing feature of a new doctor has been acknowledged prior to this.
@Eleazer:
"So - they do care for the character itself - Jodie Whittaker plays him just as good as Tennant or Smith."
What a BOLD BOLD BOLD and (seemingly) not well thought through statement.
Being the even keel realist I work hard to be, I couldn't even say that about Christopher Eccleston and he was arguably the most seasoned actor of the NEW WHO when he premiered the reboot.
I'm not mocking your opinion, I just find your statement to be fatuous and slightly disingenuous.
Not mocking but calling it fatuous ;)
But it is ok - we can agree to disagree. Every new Doctor had its "haters" but it settled usually in the 2. season.
@Eleazer:
I'm sure its debatable, but I always considered the word (fatuous) to be polite speak. That's how I use it anyway.
It wasn't meant to imply other wise Eleazer. I give you my word, if that actually means anything on here.
I agree, DW does invoke a knee-jerk reaction every time there is a regen.
I'm guilty as charged when I witnessed Tennant into Smith. Luckily that literally only lasted about 10-15 minutes into "The 11th Hour" and I was hooked on Smith up until his last season.
What is your logic here exactly?
The poster states that they reckon Whittaker's depiction is as good as Tennant and Smith (presumably an acceptable standard), and you call their statement "fatuous" and "disingenuous" because you don't think the writers cared about the character when Eccleston played the Doctor?
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Maybe you just don't like it as much as others and there's not much more needs to be said about it than that. No doubt the positions may be reversed in other cases.
shareHe has no standards. It's just politics (or religion, because this is more like religious stuff).
Whittaker's acting is TERRIBLE. And that's NOT because of the scripts being pure SJW bullshit. The scripts during Capaldi seasons were full of SJW crap, and he was still an amazing actor and a perfect cast for The Doctor, in spite of the crappy SJW scripts.
Jodie Whittaker is just bad casting.
Him LOL
share"Another example: have you seen all those movies about strong women that can fight like a man... while men think they're not strong enough?"
No, what movies? physically fight or Erin Brockovich fight?