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did people start hating this movie because of the Nostalgia Critic review?


It seems like ever since Doug's review came out, people have become far more critical of this film than before. More often than not, detractors tend to paraphrase the Nostalgia Critic's points. That it's pretentious, that its acting is bland, that its romance is forced etc etc. The same thing happened with Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. I disagree with most of these critiques, but I'm not here to argue that. What I wanna ask is, how many of you found yourself being more critical towards this film after seeing Nostalgia Critic's review.

Please, be honest.

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I've always been a little critical of The Matrix but when a movie like this is so mindblowing I look past the weaker points. 2 and 3 were criminally bad.

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Agreed.
Was gonna say he same.

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Why do you think large numbers of people care about one review from an unknown critic?

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I never loved the series and only really enjoyed the first one on any level. I didn’t see the Nostalgia Critic review.

I always found the characters to be lifeless, the story to be shallow, and the themes to be unoriginal. It all came off as pretentious. There was a lot of potential to be epic and the action scenes of the first movie were good but I really do not have much love for this franchise.

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Never saw the Nostalgia Critic review for this. Love the movie.

Only seen a few of his reviews and couldn't stand him.

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"He trashed 2001: A Space Odyssey. That should really disqualify him as a serious critic."
Yeah, see...there's MY point. You can tear apart anything...you just need to find the right angle. Its not edgy, its not "thinking outside the box"...its little more than a gimmick these days. One used for clicks.
And the people running here, "Yeah, I hated it too, come to think of it..."...come on guys.

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When did he do that? Aren't you confusing him for Confused Matthew?

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Honestly? People seem to think that tearing down popular things somehow makes them more clued-in than other people...and its more of an attention-grabbing technique than anything else, IMO.
Shoot, there's problems with virtually any movie, but to "hate" this movie...or to call it "crap"...that just reflects back on the person saying it, IMO. It smells of trying too hard.

Keanu is a one-note actor, but he fits this role well, standing in for the every-man...Hugo Weaving was extraordinary as Agent Smith, Laurence Fishbourne WAS Morpheus...the story was HIGHLY original at the time for general audiences, the philosophy is still solid and if you look up "groundbreaking" in the dictionary, there should be a reference to the Matrix's special effects...

I get if The Matrix isn't one of your favorite sci-fi movies, but trying to say that its a bad movie just makes you seem goofy, IMO.

Focusing on the negative is what gets the clicks over on Youtube, Youtubers know this and if you want to tear down something considered "great" in pop culture, it only takes an angle. You can do it with virtually anything. That we're so quick to fall in line with agreement...that's kind of depressing to me.

Its easy to tear stuff down...fun even. But its a self-serving kind of fun, IMO and it doesn't do anyone any favors in the long run. If we were all to continually engage in it, I imagine there wouldn't be much of anything "fun" left to pick through.

Good for Nostalgic critic getting his clicks, but its a pretty difficult argument to make that there's more to hate in this movie than there is to love.

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Your remarks on critics remind me... my favorite art critic of all time, in fact the only art critic I ever paid attention to, was art historian and critic Sister Wendy Beckett (seen on various TV specials some years ago).

She was the only critic I'd ever seen, in any field, who was able to say what made a painting noteworthy or great, in a few simple and well-chosen words. Most critics spend their lives tearing works of art to shreds or damning with faint praise, which gets old fast because tearing art to shreds is easy and any small-minded bitch can do it. Praising a painting or film or play is actually harder than tearing it to shreds, any tiny-minded bitch can complain about anything and bring enough snark to draw a laugh or two, but giving something the praise it deserves requires a much higher level of understanding, not to mention it's harder to write in an interesting way.

Yeah, that's kind of off topic, but yeah, I suppose a general observation on the art of being a critic is fair. And I must get out my copy of "The Story of Painting", since I have a long weekend.

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Hah that's insightful as hell...hadn't really thought of it this way.
"any tiny-minded bitch can complain about anything and bring enough snark to draw a laugh or two, but giving something the praise it deserves requires a much higher level of understanding, not to mention it's harder to write in an interesting way."
That's SOLID. Also...praising something seems like it'd be putting more of yourself out there to be judged. There's more at stake...if you profess to loving something that others are tearing down as being "pretentious" fodder for the easily manipulated or whatever, its YOU that looks like the fool, you know?
At least moreso than someone who tears down something everyone else loves. Because you're not necessarily a fool as much as maybe you're just hypercritical, or have "high standards" or some such.

I think you're onto something here. Being unnecessarily critical is much more likely to be in the comfort zone of the insecure...the most natural disposition for those of us who may have less faith in their own judgment than they like to pretend...who are wrapped up in what others think of them. You think?

Great post!

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I think you're absolutely right about everything you just said.

Especially this: "Being unnecessarily critical is much more likely to be in the comfort zone of the insecure...the most natural disposition for those of us who may have less faith in their own judgment than they like to pretend..."

It's also an easy way to come up with blog filler, hack up something or someone that's widely liked. It's much harder to do the reverse.

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Don't know who the critic is, never really followed any critics.

I felt the movie was ok for what it was but it just wasn't something I'd normally be into. What really turned me off of it was the throng of fanboys who kept saying "If you didn't like The Matrix it's because you didn't understand The Matrix." As if it was some great deep work. Yeah, it's likely something most people who'd really fall for the movie would potentially be new to but it didn't give me any great revelations and it certainly wasn't a mind blowing concept.

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I never buy into the pretentious argument. The reason I do not is because a lot of a classic films are Fight Club, A Clockwork Orange, and The Godfather are all pretentious films. What matters is if it's well done or not. Now of course there are bad pretentious films as well. Point being pretentious alone is not what determines the quality of the film.

Thing is when a film has more ambition that can make up for more flaws. A movie like John Wick is well done. Here is the thing though nothing is revolutionary about it, well done fight choreography fun action and has decent style. The Matrix revolutionized special effects. How many times was the bullet time scene referenced? John Wick won't have that type of relevance. That's my two cents.

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Right? Since when did filmmaking that aimed for going above and beyond become pretentious?

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