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TOTALLY STUPID sci-fi : Dino-sized plot hole!


This movie plot has a giant, brachiosaurus-sized gaping hole in it.
Ok, Spielberg is not the brightest one in matters of sci-fi (or action, or directing in general). But WTF. Nobody else noticed this when they greenlit this turd?

They invented a cloning procedure to recover million years old dna, fix it with frogs, and re-create a dinosaur egg. Ok, I can go with this.
Now, from those eggs, they grow dinosaurs. ADULT dinosaurs. That look like they range from at least 30 years old, to 80/100 years old.
But this park in the nineties is filled with them.

So, what's supposed to fill this gap? They developed this dna tachniques in 1920 and secretly started growing dinos up to have them ready by 1993? Or did they also invented a bunch of dino-vitamins to magically grow them that big in less than a year?
Nobody stopped to think about this for one minute and realized how the whole premise doesn't gel in this idiotic production???

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Another retard who doesn't understand the meaning of "plot hole"

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That was really more of a plot hole than I was expecting

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Probably because it IS a plot hole?

I hate these maggots that think they are the plot hole police on MC like the one posting above you, fuck them in their plot hole.

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"That look like they range from at least 30 years old, to 80/100 years old."
Maybe the dinosaurs they grew, simply grew up quickly. Maybe dinosaurs were always like that. What makes you think they DIDN'T grow up that fast, Heisenberg??

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Maybe biology and reality?
Do you know of any other animal that grows like you are suggesting?
Every other reptile we know nowadays takes its time to grow into its adult form. Dinosaurs were immense. Do the math.

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Humans and dinosaurs never co-existed, except fictionally and with SFX magic in this movie and the sequels. We only have speculation as to their life cycle.

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No shit.

Also very scientific, dinosaurs used to wear shoes. We were not there, so who knows?

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Very funny.

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Yoshi docet

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Lol there aren't any REAL dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, they are approximations based on degraded DNA with gaps filled in by other species.

Obviously they are accelerated and nothing is claimed to the contrary. Frogs mature in 16 weeks for example anyway.

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Ok, frogs are quick, but also very small.
Dinosaurs are huge, and reptiles in general are not fast growers, specifically after maturity. They slowly keep growing a little bit all life long.

The clones in JP are sold as slightly modified dinosaurs, and nothing is claimed to the contrary. They never say "we have created special animals that go from 20 cm to 20 m in one year".
In GOOD SF you should mention something like that, shouldn't you?

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They never said there was not accelerated growth - it's only logical.

But sure if you think it's more logical to have a story about a dinosaur park without any dinosaurs...

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No, the dino park idea needs to be sold in all its parts (since it is not possible to do), but logic cannot explain shit that is not explained and doesn't make sense.
That is called WRITING, and it's the job of a SCI FI writer to make sure something impossible makes sense or it's explained how it works, so it doesn't look like magic or a plot hole.

Am I just setting my bar too high for your low standards to accept?

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It's a poor example and not a plot hole, but you're trying to double down on it because you don't want to lose the thread... Lol

- They are performing genetic engineering
- They fill in missing pieces with other DNA from fast growing animals
- They grow dinosaurs at an accelerated rate (as you've observed)

"OMG HOWWWWWWW?????"

The sheer fact that the timeline indicates they grew them faster is somehow not proof that they are accelerated? 🤦🏿‍♂️

Maybe you're just used to movies today that think audiences are simpletons? To everyone the answer is completely obvious.

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Hold on.
The one doubling down here is you.
Didn't I already expressed the differences between frogs and dinosaurs?
You just decided to not answer to that.

Furthermore, you wanna tell me that we are watching frogs here? That is a great pitch for the whole movie...not!

And again, you decided to ignore the point I made about scifi and magic. This is a plot hole, and a pretty gigantic one, that the writer just wrote, quite the opposite of "it is logical enough what the deal is here, we don't need to explain it. The audience is smart and can figure out something like this pulling it out of their ass".
Btw, they JUST had a good 6 minutes presentation on the scientific explanation of it all, yet YOU decided that this glaringly missing piece of info is "better left for us to imagine".

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No you dismissed it since it doesn't fit your narrative here LOL.

The dinos HAVE frog DNA in them and it affects their reproduction as seen in the film. Therefore it is only LOGICAL to expect that there are other things passed on as well. This is why it cannot be claimed that they are growing TRUE dinosaurs in the park - because they are a mixture of other things too.

There are lots of things that they don't need to 'spell out' because most people in the audience aren't morons.

It's a movie about dinosaurs and you're clinging onto the fact that it isn't a 3 day pong seminar on FICTIONAL genetic engineering LOL.

Then again maybe I'm the only smart one after all...

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No dude, the FACTS here are:
1 the movie completely ignores this blatant problem
2 you figured a "solution" that makes sense for YOU
3 everybody else either does not notice the problem, has no realistic scientific explanation for it (like me) or has reached a similar conclusion as you (they grow fast-no problem).

I am pointing this out, and your "fix" is not good enough as a solid answer because of what I wrote above.
If you are fine with it, good for you.
But it remains YOUR solution, not everyone's.
And is as valid as dino vitamins or incubators etc. exactly because of fact 1.

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Aside from the fact that it isn't a plot hole at all, that's not even the biggest problem ... They DID NOT SHOW plumbers installing access to a water supply NOR did they mention EXACTLY HOW .... HOW they were able to use running water????

They're on an island FFS!!!!

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Yes, true. Only, nobody cares about that one.

Many viewers care instead about the science part of this science fiction sporting a gaping hole.

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I think better plot holes would be:

- Why were Velociraptors so big when in reality they were the size of turkeys?
- Where are all the feathers?
- How can dinosaurs survive in the current atmosphere?

Etc etc.

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Those are all also true.

My gripe with my plot hole is that it is clearly part of the fiction, meaning it wouldn't exist otherwise in the normal world, yet they do not make it make sense.
Like I said in the OP, they could have just added a line in their quite long exposition to justify this gap (incubators, super quick growth, vitamines, whatever).

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Although I feel they did allude to it enough - you are right that sometimes even 1 line of dialog can go a long way.

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they grow dinosaurs. ADULT dinosaurs.

This issue/plothole applies to pretty much every movie that has ever referenced cloning.
so there must be a generci explanation.
accelertede growth gene
Age related save game state snapshot ? : )

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There must be a generci explanation, yet this shitfest does not even realise such explanation is needed.

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This is no different than calling the fact that we never see the protagonist take a shit a plot hole.

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So you find taking a shit unrealistic, unreasonable with the rest of the movie, scientifically unsound and in need of a logical explanation? Interesting...

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very good point! Never thought about that!

But do we know how long it takes for a dinosaur to grow to maturity?

Maybe it happened in a couple of years, not decades.

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I don't know but looking at the reptiles we have around (and turtles lived along with the dinosaurs) they have a slow metabolism and grow at a slow to average rate and are sexually mature after many years.
Crocodiles, which are the largest, take 10 years to mature and then they keep growing, and live up to 80. And they are small compared to these dinos.

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At first blush that does seem like a stretch, requiring some hand-waiving, but let’s delve into this and see what we find out…

In reality, dinosaurs grew to adulthood quite quickly. T-Rex, for example, were adults in about 17 years, gaining as much as 5 pounds per day. However, it varies per species. Some were slower, others faster. The Apatosaurus, for example, grew by a whopping 33 pounds per day. It seems that in general the larger they were as an adult the faster they'd grow to get there, while smaller dinosaurs grew more slowly but possibly reached adulthood around the same time. May be speculative, but there is scientific basis for those conclusions.

For context, blue whales grow an impressive 200 pounds per day, so if genes related to that were incorporated into these Frankensteined specimens in Jurassic Park, perhaps they could reach adulthood very quickly. From the last link below: "Calves leave their mothers when they give birth to their next calf, and will reach maturity when they reach their full size, between five and 15 years of age."

Considering that information, if we give the movie some leniency, we could surmise that the dinosaurs (if we can even call them that, given their genetic mixture that somehow stripped them of their feathers and color and turned them into the inaccurate, outdated depictions we saw in books 50+ years ago that incorrectly deemed them all cold-blooded reptiles, something I explain away as being a byproduct of their amalgamated genetic makeup, a large portion of which was frog DNA) might have reached adult maturity in about 5 years.

But even better than all that speculation (yes, I led you down that path on purpose knowing this is where I would end up), we have the Michael Crichton novel as a source to draw upon for the most relevant information possible pertaining to this subject (Crichton was not one to skimp on scientifically-researched details—I’ve read every one of his excellent novels), where this exchange of dialogue occurs:

“And how long to grow?”
“Dinosaurs mature rapidly, attaining full size in two to four years. So we now have a number of adult specimens in the park.”

So, there you have it. It took them 2 to 4 years to grow to maturity.

There’s also this discussion in the novel regarding a hadrosaur:
Morris laughed, too. “A baby hadrosaur. That'd be something to see. How big were they?”
“About so,” Grant said, holding his hands six inches apart. “Squirrelsize.”
“And how long before they become full-grown?”
“Three years,” Grant said. “Give or take.”

Clearly there was some sci-fi mumbo jumbo at play that they used to accelerate their growth. According to the book, the park had been breeding live dinosaurs for around 5 years by the time the events of Jurassic Park took place. Consider the following excerpts:
“Thirty thousand dollars a year,” Grant said, nodding. “For the last five years.”

“Because,” Morris said, “over the last five years, Hammond has purchased enormous quantities of amber in America, Europe, and Asia, including many pieces of museum-quality jewelry. The foundation has spent seventeen million dollars on amber. They now possess the largest privately held stock of this material in the world.”

“So Gennaro telephoned you in 1984. What happened then?”
“Well,” Grant said. “You see our operation here. Fifty thousand would support two full summers of digging. I told him I'd do what I could.”
“So you agreed to prepare a paper for him.”
“Yes.”
“On the dietary habits of juvenile dinosaurs?”
“Yes.”
“You met Gennaro?”
“No. Just on the phone.”
“Did Gennaro say why he wanted this information?”
“Yes,” Grant said. “He was planning a museum for children, and he wanted to feature baby dinosaurs. He said he was hiring a number of academic consultants, and named them. There were paleontologists like me, and a mathematician from Texas named Ian Malcolm, and a couple of ecologists. A systems analyst. Good group.”
Morris nodded, making notes. “So you accepted the consultancy?”
“Yes. I agreed to send him a summary of our work: what we knew about the habits of the duckbilled hadrosaurs we'd found.”
“What kind of information did you send?” Morris asked.
“Everything: nesting behavior, territorial ranges, feeding behavior, social behavior. Everything.”
“And how did Gennaro respond?”
“He kept calling and calling. Sometimes in the middle of the night. Would the dinosaurs eat this? Would they eat that? Should the exhibit include this? I could never understand why he was so worked up. I mean, I think dinosaurs are important, too, but not that important. They've been dead sixty-five million years. You'd think his calls could wait until morning.”

A couple of lines of this nature in the movie might have helped establish a better understanding of the timeline.

CONTINUED…

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it's been a long time since i read the novel, and didn't quite remember anything about the growth.
thanks for the post, i also assumed the park, as we see it, during the film was in operation for some time preparing the dinosaurs and associated accelerated growth.

something like 3-5 years or in the late 80s is plausible in the novel/film timeline.
still insane but not as insane as Westworld i guess..

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What the fuck does a 30 year old dinosaur look like?

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Like a grown up dinosaur 20 meters long.

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And dinosaurs aren't mature until.....30?

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Do you know for certain?
I'm just estimating, considering their huge size and how modern reptiles grow.
I would say that they took at least 15 years for a T-Rex to grow and at least 20/25 for a Brachiosaurus.

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