I love this movie.
As a kid in the 80s I found the incest angle funny and original.
I did not give it too much importance.
As a grownup now, I find it annoying and out of place. Immaturely handled.
It almost ruins the film. It certainly gives a new meaning to family movie.
Who is the genius producer that felt that Marty's mom being on fire for him would be the appropriate choice?
Bunch of woke nonsense.
shareI believe YOU are still asleep...
What is woke about my post?
Pointing out the obvious?
Decency?
There's no incest. So it's faux woke outrage.
share1 I asked you what is woke about my post, you have not answered.
2 kissing your child in a sexual way is incest.
Not only that, she wanted to fuck Marty pretty clearly. So, is attempted incest not incest? What do YOU call it, a robbery?
1. I did answer your question.
2. Unwittingly aving a crush on someone you've never met and don't know that they are your son who has travelled from the future is not incest.
3. Woketards like you who understood the farcical implications and their comedic value of the situation but then decide they've had an epiphany because they contemplate the implications "if" Marty and Lorraine were both unaware of their relationship. It's fucking perverse woke hand wringing. The reason you enjoyed the film before is because you hadn't chosen to adopt the faux outrage of someone trying to impress, i.e. virtue signal, everyone with your zero tolerance policy to "incest" which doesn't happen, isn't sought by any of the characters and was never going to happen.
Do you attempt to cancel movies where the threat is the end of the world because the extinction of human species isn't funny?
Go and give yourself a big pat on the back for thinking Lorraine and Marty screwing would have been bad and not funny if it actually happened. Well done you.
Fuck off twerp.
1 obviously, you are a moron.
2 who the fuck talked about cancelling anything?
3 the only thing that should be cancelled from the planet is YOUR STUPIDITY. I doubt that is possible, untill further biological events.
The problem here is you've asked a genuine question that has been misinterpreted and jumped on by mostly morons. You will never get these people to see what you are actually saying because they have already decided in their minds and are outraged based on their understanding of what they think you are saying.
shareNah. People have known and appreciated that part of the joke of BTTF is that his teenage mom unwittingly has a crush on Marty (not incest by the way) despite his grown up mom claiming she NEVER looked at boys at that age.
Twerps like Heisenberg come along years later and decide to have a brainstorm and think they can score points by condemning the incest that's not actually happening so he can say "Look at me. I think incest is not funny. If you think this film is funny then you must like incest."
It's the same as the bullshit that people complain about from "woke" people who adopt faux outrage at old movies because the attitudes on display aren't as progresses or progressive.
The bottom line is that people who have like this film for nearly forty years don't do so because they approve of incest.
So, as you can see, it's not a genuine question. It's just a bunch of pseudo woke bullshit.
He never once says he is condemning it. He says as an adult he views it slightly differently so asks the question. As an adult I still find the awkwardness of it all funny and have no thoughts on who came up with the idea but understand how people may look at it retrospectively and wonder.
shareTo him the movie now handles things immaturely and is almost ruined. And he's casting aspersions on author despite having admitted to having appreciating their work in this film the way that the creator intended them to for years prior to their so called awakening about the implications of a teenager unwittingly crushing on her future son who has travelled back in time. Yeah. They're not condemning.
The movie makes no secret of the implications. The main character can't tell his mother who he is or why he's there and he's horrified, yet he still has to interact with her in order for her to fall for his future father so he can be conceived and exist. It's not hidden. They explicitly acknowledge the seriousness of it. But it is nevertheless farcical.
So the OP either never paid attention all those years. Or more likely they just had a brainwave about how to score cheap virtue signalling points by pointing out the obvious thing that all rational sensible people understood were the extreme stakes involved which motivated the farcical attempts to conceal his identity, ensure his own eventual conception and return to the future.
Bottom line is the OP made a false premise that this movie is saying incest is a great thing to make a movie about that happens to be funny. There is no incest and it's not about incest. The same way it's not about Deloreans or skateboards or Lord Vader from the planet Vulcan.
The OP is just a pipsqueak with forum diarrhea.
What do you mean retrospectively? The funny thing about BTTF is that Marty discovers that his mother was not the girl she said she was. And that her advances on "Calvin" are completely at odds to the way she boasted carried on in the earlier scene in the McFly home in 1985.
The fact that she's oblivious to who Calvin is makes the humour. But it's still not incest and the movie makes it abundantly clear there's no danger of it. All it does is add ironic absurdity to Mary's predicament.
None of that has changed. And no, people's attitudes towards incest hasn't changed so how would people view the movie differently in retrospect.
At the time they were trying to get it made, they filmmakers encountered pipsqueak executives who rejected the movie on those terms saying the audience would not accept it. So it's not like there weren't people who had the same chickenshit fears at the time. Thankfully Universal didn't and they were proved right by the fact that overwhelmingly, people then as today understand what's going on. And don't contrive the kind bullshit moral panic that the OP is trying to adopt.
Why are you explaining the movie to me?
I get it and still find the situation funny and have no problem with it.
What do you mean retrospectively?
I mean that I understand that some people can look at this with different (older) eyes and see it differently to how they did as a child. The OP asked a question regarding whose idea it was and stated that he no longer viewed it as funny anymore. So what? He's entitled to his opinion and he's not asking anyone else to change theirs. He's not even arguing that he's right on this matter. Now for me, people can simply answer that question and add that they disagree and they still find it funny, but for people to attack him seems like the old IMDb days.
I've pointed put before... he's not looking for a legitimate answer to a legitimate question.
The producers are well documented. The writers are well documented. It's not and has never been a secret.
In fact, his little play skit thing towards the top of the page demonstrates he damn well knows the answer to his "question." I also immediately gave completely reasonable explanations on my disagreement which was immediately written off as "excuses."
To say this as just merely an inquiry is being naive.
"Virtue signaling" is definitely a term that fits here.
And apparently, I'm not the only one who can see through it.
I am simply saying that he has every right to ask this question. If people disagree with his opinion then that is fine. Saying he is part of the cancel culture (which some have) when he clearly states that is not what he wants is just ignoring what he is actually saying. He asks a simple question that requires a simple answer and not the lambasting he has received. It (as I previously stated) reminds me of the old IMDb boards where someone posted something and got attacked en masse by posters outraged by a person daring to think differently to them. Yes, you are not the only person who sees it the same way i can see that. Nevertheless, he is still asking a question that he (possibly) wonders if anyone else either felt the same or knew the answer to. The answer would appear to be no in the first instance and yes in the second. Didn't need to turn in to a mudslinging match.
shareHe already answered his own question by saying he found it funny years ago. So it’s not a genuine or legitimate question.
shareHis question was 'Who thought incest is funny' and was aimed at the makers of the movie. He already concedes that as a kid he thought it was funny but as an adult he now doesn't. Seeing as kids didn't write the script it is a genuine or legitimate question.
You don't agree and that's fair enough. Let's just leave it at that eh?
You're literally proving my point by saying his question is aimed at the writers.
By definition it's not a genuine question since he already knows that, besides himself, and you, and a billion other people that enjoy the film, the writers thought it was funny.
I'm not denying your point. His question is aimed at the writers.
shareBy the way, I know you're just trying to come off as "Hey we're just sharing opinions, no need for you to mudsling" when you actually opened up by calling people morons. Let's not pretend you're above that.
shareI'm not pretending anything. And let's be honest here the mudslinging started before I even joined in the chat. As I said to another poster, you don't agree so let's just leave it at that.
shareIf you immediately joined the mudslinging, you can't turn around and say, "Hey you guys shouldn't be mudslinging "
And if you would like to "leave it as that" why aren't you?
Are you blind? He’s claiming that his newfound disapproval of the movie is due to his heightened sense of decency.
shareAre you blind?
No.
He’s claiming that his newfound disapproval of the movie is due to his heightened sense of decency.
He's actually saying he views it differently as an adult than he did as a kid. Tbf, most people do view things differently as adults than they did as kids, no?
No. He's placing that responsibility on the filmmakers. If it was merely about himself and his personal tastes, why would he even need to mention them?
That's the part I find unfair. And I think you're stretching pretty far to defend this criticism.
Literally from him: I used to find it funny. Now I don't. Why would they even consider this?
Zemeckis Gale or anyone is not responsible for his changing values.
Zemeckis Gale or anyone is not responsible for his changing values.
No they aren't, but his values have changed and he's asking a question. I'm not defending his criticism, I'm defending his right to it.
Nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to it. He has a right to it, just as we have a right to call him out for it, along with the right to all subsequent replies that occurred.
Hence ...all the replies.
Agree with you Martoto. Thankfully this type of overthinking didn't stop modern movies such as 2009's 17 again (to name one) from succeeding.
If you don't want BTTF cancelled then why are you bitching about incest that never happens in it?
shareMaybe because people can also talk about something without wanting to cancel it?
I am just pointing out how my sensibility, and most viewers sensibility, has changed over the years, and how cringeworthy the incest idea actually was to begin with.
That's how things get cancelled. Are you fucking dense. People talk shit about things and then they get cancelled. By chickenshits like you who think they are clever pointing out that incest is a troubling idea, in real life. So is bullying, under age drinking, drink driving, cigarette smoking, stealing weapon grade plutonium, conspiring with terrorists, and getting stuck in the past having inadvertently prevented your own existence.
The movie isn't telling you any of those things are great though. It's using them to create problems for the lead character who has to solve them which produces comedy.
What you are effectively saying is that years ago when you enjoyed BTTF, before your sensibilities supposedly changed (do us a favour, Gandhi), you thought incest was a great thing. That's what you are saying. Well I'm here to tell you that pretty much everyone that enjoyed the movie, apart from you, have always thought incest was bad. Please understand that if you claim that the movie was telling you it's a great idea and you enjoyed the movie then you're admitting that it appealed to you because it told you that incest is great.
Hey Martoto, I understand that YOU like to have men put their stuff in your mouth. It's a thing that you enjoy, so go ahead and let them do it as often as it pleases you. Nobody is condemning you.
But not everyone is like YOU.
I do not like it. So quit putting your dimwitted words in my mouth.
Sometimes in Hollywood sexuality is wrapped up as comedy.
Many men have mother fantasies. See the Oedipus complex and other Freudian concepts. Currently online pornography is rife with 'step mom' content. The step is of course to avoid the exceedingly blatant incestual connotations, as incest even as fantasy is often banned from many sites.
Another example would be ENF (Embarassed Nude Female) content in older films. It was common in 'teen sex comedies' back in the 1980s. A woman getting stripped and it's played as a laugh. It's very much a kink.
In conclusion I wouldn't at all be surprised if the person responsible for this comedic angle actually found it all rather randy. Even if it was unbeknownst to himself. I ask you what mind drifts towards your mother wanting to sleep with you as a comedy piece? A mind that harbors such fantasies.
Remember everything is about sex.
In this case, the comedy doesn't come from the incest itself.
It comes from the awkwardness and uncomfortablness that arises from it.
Marty is repulsed by it.
Lorraine has no idea its happening.
The film is telling you it's repulsive. Marty's reaction is the comedy.
Good comment, very insightful.
It's easy to see that this is about sex.
But I like that you pointed it out because it's also easy to dismiss the sex part as just an excuse for the joke.
There is something important under your analysis.
I think the "mom is actually a horny teen and goes after...her son! Har har har" element is spot on what you picked upon: even if it is played innocently and "cleanly", it is a segue from other inappropriate comedies (like The Graduate or Blame it on Rio) into more mainstream family entertainment, and a preview of more sexual inappropriateness from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
I guess Zemeckis enjoys titillating the viewer (the male viewer) in a kinky, weird way.
Kinda feels like, building their blockbuster sci fi, they needed a sexual element in it. Instead of having our hero save the regular girl, they intentionally decided to throw in this incest angle in it, which fits perfectly with the need to fix something in the future, but it's still an incest story.
I wonder who finds this stuff sexy at all. I know they are currently totally ruining porn with this crap about sex in the family, even if porn is totally fake and irrealistic, it is still annoying that they even just title it like that. What kind of revolting fantasy is that? Who the fuck thinks it's sexy???!?!?
PEOPLE WHO FUCK THEIR SISTERS AND MOTHERS... BASED ON EVERY VIDEOS TITLE THESE DAYS.
shareBest explanation is that Marty carried more of the fathers side of the genes so when she saw him, it looked similar to the dad and that he was kicking ass (cool kid on the block) so that helped.
shareOk, that could be a good narrative explanation, but that's kinda creepier than before, kinda makes her seeing that he is the son of his father also as incest, on another level ahaha.
It's sort of like seeying your girlfriend's father, and he totally looks like her. Makes it for an awful experience to have that image in your head when you are having sex (with her:-).
As you can see, once you put that incest idea in a story, it's difficult to get it out.
"Once you put incest idea in a story it's difficult to get it out."
Yeah. That's how storylines and plot points work.🤦♂️
How insightful.
The awkwardness of your hot teenage mom hitting on you is absolutely hilarious! It was then and it still is today.
shareIs it, really?
Think about it.
YOUR mom in her teens wants to fuck YOU.
I find that less hilarious the more I think about it.
Of course MJF is great at comedy and there is so much amazing stuff going on in the movie that the actual incest is just in the background.
I just think they could have stopped it at the bedroom scene if they really, really needed this angle: she is "distracted" so does not fall for George because he is not injured, it's a problem because he is a total loser and it becomes difficult to match them now, we get it.
No need to reiterate that same "I love Calvin" joke over and over. And the final car scene is quite revolting.
Marty Mcfly does not exist in 1955, he is just a random guy that shows up and his mom is a young girl who finds him attractive. That could literally happen to anyone in her situation. That's the whole point of time travel. Marty went back in time to a point of his moms life that she's in high school herself, and doesn't even have a boyfriend yet. So how would she know unless he told her and presented the evidence to her?
Yeah. The only way your topic here would make any sense is if he did tell her, and show her the proof and then she STILL comes on to him..but yeah. That doesn't happen. For one, telling her for any reason is against everything that Doc Brown taught Marty about time traveling in the first place. So clearly he was not going to do that.
He had one job, and that was to insert himself into mainly his fathers life to help build george's confidence up to get the man to meet his mom so that he can continue to exist.
Along the way she gets the wrong idea and thinks he's into her. A little silly maybe, but not out of the question. I mean she's just a teenage girl so any kind of attention from a guy may make a teenage girl think that there's some interest there. Silliness is good because it's a Comedy.
yeah... There's nothing wrong with this movie.
I guess you have never seen Oldboy...
Knowledge has ZERO to do with incest.
Oldboy has ZERO to do with this.
Your question isn't whether or not it's incest. Your question us if people think it's funny and appropriate in BTTF (which, SURPRISE dumbass, most people do)
You keep changing the goal post to make yourself feel correct and morally superior. It's pathetic.
It's sad you're out there consuming oxygen and movie watching time from other people.
My personal puny blind troll, who has to jump in ANY conversation I have with others, after he had his ass repeatedly handed to him everywhere else.
You know who has ZERO to do with this?
YOU
Ass handed?
You haven't been paying attention.
You look like a dumbass at every turn. Even the guy that's trying to defend you thinks you're wrong. Pay attention dumfuck.
You're delusional as fuck
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My posts are here for everyone to see.
Your trolling is also clear.
You losing your shit every time is just pathetic.
You have nothing to add to the discussion here, fuck off to your uninteresting thread.
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shareI added stuff, your dense ass just doesn't want to hear it.
No asshole, you just use the stupidest troll tactics and don't even know it.
That's what kind of shitty troll you are.
You just keep answering for anybody here, even if you are not part of the conversation, and you do so by CHANGING THE TOPIC.
Nobody here wants to talk to you.
FUCK OFF.
Changed the topic? I addressed exactly what was presented, fuckface. I didn't bring up Oldboy, you did.
Are you fucking blind AND dumb?
Uh yes it really does when your son goes back in time and meets his younger mom.
Again she is not going to know who he is because he does not exist in that time line. I looked up "Oldboy" and it literally has nothing to do with anything here. So I'm just leaving it at that.
Your lame ass is blocked now. Goodbye. Back to the Future is still a classic so you can keep crying about this make believe invest shit to someone else.
Who the hell said anything about BTTF not being a classic?
Look, Oldboy is a great movie, do yourself a favour and check it out.
The original, not the American remake.
It literally demonstrates your point wrong.
THEN come back here and talk.
Otherwise don't respond out of ignorance, or even worse base your reply on what that blind troll tells you.
Don't bother. Heisenberg is dense as fuck.
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