MovieChat Forums > The Terminator (1984) Discussion > Kyle Reese is stupid (sorry, but he is)

Kyle Reese is stupid (sorry, but he is)

posted 2 years ago by avortac4 (3575)
21 replies | jump to latest

Ok, of all the stupidities of Skynet, Kyle Reese and the people in the future, from the 'massive bodybuilder is the best infiltration machine' to 'bad breath is essential, so let's divert our scarce resources to developing that, otherwise infiltration unit that solves every problem by mass-murdering and shooting everything in sight is not going to be a believable infiltration unit' to 'let's open the door to a bodybuilder-looking stranger although the dogs are going crazy, they don't know any passwords or the secret knock and their voice isn't recognizable'...

..I think the stupidest thing is Kyle's definition of 'cyborg'.

Why bring such a 'futuristic terminology' into the past, if you don't even know what it means?

A cyborg does not mean 'robot covered with 'living tissue' (and tissue is NEVER alive anyway, it's the soul that makes a dead tissue SEEM alive when it's still inhabiting a body, without this energy, nothing is ever 'alive') - which, for some reason, is shown as ROTTING anyway.

A cybog would have organic parts that are actually ESSENTIAL to its function, like an actual, organic brain or heart at least.

Just covering a robot with ANYTHING does not make it a cyborg, I don't care WHAT you cover it with - if it can function fully without that covering, and that covering isn't essential to its functioning, it's not a cyborg.

Now, is a human being cyborg if you replace the biological limbs with technological ones?

I am not sure where the limitations lie, but to me, a human being is a human being as long as a human soul is in charge of the entity, so even a fully 'robotic body', inhabited by human soul, is still not even a robot, but a human being in a robotic body, and not a cyborg, either. Maybe you could call that an 'android', but because of the human soul, I would call it a human, regardless of the physical body's shape (or existence! Humans are humans even when they exist without a physical body!)

Of course you can talk about biological robots as well, and if those biological robots have some replaced robotic parts, does that make them cyborgs, or just 'enhanced biological robots'?

I honestly don't know, but what I do know for sure, is that these 'terminators' are DEFINITELY robots, not cyborgs. Just because you cover a robot with something, doesn't make it something else. It's akin to saying that a robot is a jacket just because you put a jacket on it, or it's a mannekin because you put a hat on it.

No, it doesn't change, it will remain a robot, regardless of WHAT you cover it with, 'living tissue' or otherwise.

The makers of this movie didn't know what cyborg is, but it's sad that our hero, Kyle Reese, has to be made to look like an idiot because of that.

[–] millsey72 (9661) 2 years ago

Yup. Thats one of the reasons why I like Terminator Geneysis to this one

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

I'm curious, OP: Would you consider a Dalek to be a cyborg? It's an organic mutated creature with a brain that lives in a machine that serves as its life support and its ability to travel, manipulate things, fire weapons and speak.

[–] mechajutaro (2788) 2 years ago

.I think the stupidest thing is Kyle's definition of 'cyborg'.

Blame James Cameron for that sin. He wrote the script/confused androids with cyborgs, not Kyle Reese. Who's a fictional character

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

"I am not sure where the limitations lie, but to me, a human being is a human being as long as a human soul is in charge of the entity, so even a fully 'robotic body', inhabited by human soul, is still not even a robot, but a human being in a robotic body, and not a cyborg, either."

What are you babbling about? Your post is an unintelligible word salad.

"The makers of this movie didn't know what cyborg is, but it's sad that our hero, Kyle Reese, has to be made to look like an idiot because of that."

Yeah, there's an idiot here somewhere for sure.

[–] Castortroy82 (62) 2 years ago

I seriously hope millsey is just a troll. Anyone that can like the newer sequels over the classic ones doesn't have the elevator ride all the way upstairs. Hell it doesn't even leave the goddamn lobby.

[–] millsey72 (9661) 2 years ago

I made it very clear why Geneysis is the better movie. Didn't you like the plot twist with the evil John Connor?

[–] triplea (3577) 2 years ago

Salvation more like it.

[–] 123Guy (6320) 2 years ago

the OP over the top wastes time on stupid stuff. he did like 3 pages of posts on matrix yammering about the dumbest, most unimportant details.

it's just a movie. enjoy it or not. :)

[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

Avortac is the Jordan Peterson of terminator universe terminology

[–] nte1igentwon (936) 2 years ago

You lost me at your inclusion of the "soul". It's the one of the most silliest concepts in the modern world.

[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

avortac is the Jordan Peterson of terminator terminology

[–] nte1igentwon (936) 2 years ago

It amazing me how many fools become enthralled with Peterson's pseudo intellectual gibberish.

[–] triplea (3577) 2 years ago

Dismissing is easier than acknowledging, that way you don't have to challenge your world view. 👍

[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

LOL please never talk about challenging a worldview again. you are MC's resident clown. who just runs away when your world view is challenged like a little bitch

[–] triplea (3577) 2 years ago

Schooling you has never been a challenge and is becoming boring - Almost everything you say is nonsensical and laughable at best 😀.

[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

like our simple friends below, as our world becomes more and more complicated, JP fans instead want simplistic solutions that don't require much thought. as well as a intellectual father figure to tell them what to think.

Hence why so many are libertarians and fall for his word salad. Why argue about the complexities of Americas failed two party system, crony capitalism and corporation, the buying of politicians, the expensive military foreign policy and how capitalism flourishes with smart government regulation, not none. and how its nesscary or else you get monopolies and the rich controlling politics ect.

when you can just say "all tax is theft and the government runs everything and we need less of it. the SJW are coming for us and a straight white male is the most is just the most persecuted group ever"

clear enemies, clear explanation. No complex understanding or discussion of political science or economics is needed

[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

1. Kyle didnt open the door

2. large imposing huge guy terminators are scarier than small lanky ones. its just filmic reasons not real life sensical ones here at play

3. who cares about his cyborg definition. dudes from an apocalyptic wasteland./ he aint exactly attending university English class. words have usages, not intrinsic meaning.

4. again I don't care. dudes from a time where most people are probably borderline illiterate. nitpicking that the word cyborg has changed to them and means a terminator would make sense.

5 wow so much pontification. again if have to rewatch it but he may only called the flesh covered ones cyborgs. see my point about words having usages not intrinsic meanings. if everyone calls them cyborgs in his time, thats what a cyborg is

[–] Wint3rFir3 (6931) 2 years ago

I don't know that you're wrong, I just don't see it as an issue per se. Kyle may be able to do a lot of cool stuff with explosives, but he's not John Connor, he's not the brains behind the operation. He's just a soldier fulfilling his duty. It doesn't matter how smart or stupid he is, he's just there to get a job done and he does. How he goes about it may just be stupid for movie drama's sake, or it may be a reflection of the time in which it was written - hence not scientifically correct etc - but it doesn't affect the quality of the film or the story.

[–] ccr1633 (1441) 2 years ago

Besides that, Reese's main point was that it's difficult to distinguish a terminator from a human being. He was obviously correct in this observation because he was responding to Sarah's confusion on this very issue!

[–] ccr1633 (1441) 2 years ago

avortac4 wrote:
and tissue is NEVER alive anyway, it's the soul that makes a dead tissue SEEM alive when it's still inhabiting a body, without this energy, nothing is ever 'alive'

So plants have a soul do they? Without that completely unsubstantiated claim, which if argued would be plagued by endless language games anyway, then you'd have to conclude that a tree is not alive. That's just plain dumb and contrary not only to biological definitions but I'd wager also contrary to the common sense and intuition of most people. Your strict interpretation of a combat soldier's understanding of what it means for a terminator to be "alive" is a silly basis for calling the character stupid.