suspended by the nets
about time
https://nypost.com/2022/11/03/nets-suspend-currently-unfit-kyrie-irving/
He's the umpteenth celebrity to get in trouble using Twitter. Celebrities shouldn't use Twitter.
shareit's gone beyond twitter.
sharenever cross the jew if ur finances are tied to the entertainment industry....
shareNever cross any customer!
I previously mentioned this: Old sci-fi movies used to insult women by treating them like bimbos. On the contrary, Arnold Schwarzenegger put strong smart women in his movies which translated into many more women moviegoers than other sci-fi films.
And now all we have are "stronk wahmen who don't need no man" and the box office returns are in the gutter for those films.
shareBull! All of these movies did well with nonbimbo female characters:
Top Gun: Maverick $692.4M
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness $411.3M
Jurassic World: Dominion $375M
The Batman $369.3M
Minions: The Rise of Gru $355.3M
Thor: Love and Thunder $337.1M
Spider-Man: No Way Home $231.8M
And "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" is coming out in a few days!!!!
The bimbo movies/TV roles which were common in the 50-80s aren't done anymore. For instance, Lost in Space underdeveloped astronauts Maureen, Judy and Penny only cooked, cleaned and worried which made no sense since Maureen was a biochemist. She never did anything scientific. Compare to the recent TV remake. Arnie seemed to lead the change and Lucas with the Leia character.
Female roles were good in the 30-40s with Betty Davis, Joan Crawford, etc. then went downhill for a few decades, but appear to be back.
You can't even name a blockbuster AAA movie with a female bimbo character to juxtapose against your list.
Every movie on your list did well despite featuring the "stronk wahmen" trope, because nothing else is allowed in the mainstream from Hollywood. But those movies didn't center around the trope exclusively.
Movies that do, however, all bomb bad. So it's more-so that people will watch popular movies or franchises even if they have to suffer through tropes they don't like.
What strong woman was in spiderman no way home?
shareLast movie with an obvious bimbo was "Under Seige". The film was fine, but the female lead was horrible. Things changed soon after that. Someone in Hollywood did the math and figured out more women will see a movie when they're not insulted. I saw a stat with Arnie movies at 50% female audience while other sci-fi/action flicks were around 30%.
Wonder Women, Star Wars sequel trilogy, Rogue One, Hunger Games, Twilight, Frozen did well. Black Panther 2 is going to be a huge hit.
Huh? So the last movie you named where Hollywood had a bimbo as a co-lead (who actually evolved into a killing machine by the end of the film) was Steven Seagal's only critically acclaimed film and was a box office smash hit for him?
That doesn't really mean that the audiences would have stopped showing up for those films had they kept said characters, but we'll never really know because they stopped making them.
It's also interesting because Milla Jovovich's character from the 5th Element kind of fell into that same character slot as the chick from Under Siege: didn't speak much, looked pretty, and infrequently kicked butt; she was mostly led around by others. Interestingly enough, the 5th Element was also a smash hit, and considered a sci-fi classic.
"Seige" bimbo was extremely dumb. No comment on "Element" since I could never watch that one, therefore I'm not sure she was a classic bimbo. Being silent & good-looking don't equal bimbo or Clint Eastwood would qualify. Bimbo = Kelly on Married with Children. Pretty; dumb; helpless.
Being a hit with men isn't relevant. My original point was action/sci-fi films which historically appealed to men gained a significant percentage of female moviegoers when nonbimbo female roles were added.
A good early transition film was Total Recall w/2 badass females. That was major at the time. Also, one of them was Latina. I credited Arnie with being the smartest businessman in Hollywood at that time. His movies were red hot at the time and it helped that he knew how to appeal to women moviegoers.
Just basic common sense to not offend your clientele.
Huh? There were plenty of other females who weren't bimbos in old sci-fi that resulted in big box office returns, such as Short Circuit, Back To The Future, Dawn of the Dead, The Fly, Day of the Dead, Brazil, Robocop, Mad Max 1 & 2, and Aliens, to name just a few.
And there were also action/sci-fi movies that had smart female characters who weren't bimbos where the movies still tanked at the box office, like The Andromeda Strain, The Quiet Earth, The Wraith, The Golden Child, From Beyond, Phase 4, and even 2010: The Year We Make Contact, where Helen Mirren was co-lead with Roy Scheider.
Cyborg also released before Total Recall, featured three different female co-stars, all of whom were not bimbos. It didn't necessarily set the box office on fire, but wasn't terrible either.
You also had Judge Dredd, where Diane Lane had a significant co-starring lead where she wasn't a bimbo, and it didn't help that movie at the box office at all, same with Kevin Costner's Waterworld, where Jeanne Tripplehorn wasn't a bimbo, but it certainly didn't help the box office either.
Meanwhile Stargate had no non-bimbo female leads and still did quite well at the box office.
So it kind of goes back to my original point: whether there were bimbos or not in these films was negligible to the overall appeal of the film. As evident with Terminator Dark Fate, having a bunch of masculine-female characters in the film didn't help it at all at the box office, and actually resulted in the opposite effect.
You're naming new movies. I already wrote that they're not done anymore. Thankfully!:
"The bimbo movies/TV roles which were common in the 50-80s aren't done anymore."
Women were supposed to look pretty, be rescued and/or support male heroes in old sci-fi/superhero films like 1960s "One Million B.C.. or 1950s "Body Snatchers".
I saw Star Wars in 1977 in the theater. Leia broke the "damsel in distress" trope which was celebrated in newspapers and magazines at the time.
You're naming new movies. I already wrote that they're not done anymore.
Actually, every movie from the second paragraph was from the 1970s and 1980s, showing that just because there were no bimbos in the sci-fi/action films didn't mean people flocked to see them. share
Nevertheless, you named new movies instead of old ones.
If you entered my store and I called you ugly, would you return for more purchaseses?
Depends on how good the products are.
shareSame products you can find across the street in another store.
shareAs an analogy to Kyrie Irving -- I don't watch sports ball, so I have no idea how good he is. But if his product (i.e., skill in basketball) is not something everyone else possesses, it's not like removing him from the public's purview helps, unless they can replace him with someone else.
And the question become: is that someone else as influential on and off the court? Do they move the same level of merchandise? Are they as marketable?
The same would apply to the storefront -- if it's the same products but of a higher quality, then you put up with the manager's antics to acquire said products. It's simple supply and demand.
Is there a demand for Irving? Then supply his skillset as a product for people to consume through the medium in which that skillset is displayed. Is there no demand for Irving? Then you have point, and they can remove him as they see fit.
WHOEVER TAUGHT YOU WORDS DIDN'T SO ANYONE ANY FAVORS. NOEMOJI
shareYour numbers are a bit off. It looks like you're only using the U.S. box office, where Thor: Love and Thunder made $343.3 million, and Spider-Man: No Way Home made $814.1 million (far more than the 231.8 you listed). Minions: Rise of Gru made $369.2 million. I didn't bother to check the rest.
Something else to consider-- all the films you listed feature male leads. How do films do that feature a female in the role of the traditional male hero?
"female in the role of the traditional male hero"
You're limiting the role. A strong woman can be Streep in Devil Wear's Prada or Norma Rae.
BTW, a movie can make money and be garbage. There are plenty of good quality films with modest financial success. And TV shows are much better than films these days.
We seem to be talking about action films, not dramas. Women in the lead role are nothing new. I've recently been watching a lot of silent films from pre-1914, and many have strong female leads. The films you listed are of a different ilk-- they are superhero films and action films (and a cartoon). Those tend to be the films that people call out for placing a woman in the position of action hero.
Movies are still far better than TV shows.
Financial success has nothing to do with quality.
I read that early film was considered art and had more female directors, writers, producers, good leading roles but changed with females being elbowed out when it became a business.
Early action and sci-fi films which appealed more to men had very bimbo-type, damsel-in-distress roles. Arnie was among the first to put strong females in his movies which increased female moviegoers. The weak bimbo roles were insulting to women, but unlike most of Hollywood, Arnie knew that.
My point wasn't limited to movies. Just basic business common sense that you don't insult your customers. If you own a store, be nice and polite to your customers. Irving and Kanye are insulting customers. It's a dumb move on their part.
stop being racist and bigoted its not that difficult
shareApparently, it is for some people. That's why they shouldn't post on social media especially if they're opinions could lead to job loss.
sharestop treating Iriving as Martyr dude has been nutcase since the Earth is Flat comments
shareTo clarify, racists and bigots can't help not being stupid.
I didn't realize he's the jock who previously spoke about a flat Earth. What an idiot!
Anyway, you're speaking to the choir. Irving is no martyr - just weak-minded and dumb. His family needs to delete his Twitter account and muzzle him.