If the Flying Spaghetti Monster is right, would you be concerned at all about how you lived your life, your non-belief and how you would be judged? If not, why not?
shareCan you direct me to FSM´s holy book?
shareFirst please explain to me how someone writing down an assertion in a book makes it valid?
shareIf it had historical value and some of it could be confirmed by other sources, I would consider it evidence.
sharePlease show me the evidence that the earth was made by your God and that a man rose from the dead. After you prove that I have a whole lot more questions. Also now you’re changing the argument you said there just had to be a holy book.
shareI never said there just had to be a holy book. I asked if you could direct me to FSM´s holy book. And I never changed my argument, I never even clicked on the link you posted. If you want evidence of God, why don´t you ask him yourself? Asking for evidence from me is a rhetorical question because you know the proof you would require would be way more than anything I could ever say, or provide.
shareAnd I provided the FSM holy book, it has as much justification as your holy book (which is zero). Ok then how do I get in contact with him? Could you call him for me and then put me on the line with him if he’s too thin skinned to answer an atheists call?
It sounds to me that you just admitted you can’t prove your assertions, why would you ever believe them?
I kind of already responded to your question in a different comment but if you want to know God, pray to him with sincerity and I am sure he will respond.
shareHow will you know it’s him? What does he sound like?
shareDont they say the devil is out there trying to trick nd misguide people. 1.how do incest like humans know the mind of a god and 2. how do they know its not just the devil tricking them
share1.how do incest like humans know the mind of a god
Also fallacy on your part: just because there are some true things in the Bible doesn’t mean the remainder of the Bible is true by default. Harry Potter has some true things in it as well
shareI said I would consider it, I didn´t say I would believe it. In any case, I didn´t become a Christian by evaluating the veracity of the Bible as a historical document (although I do believe in its veracity). I came to it through personal experience.
shareWhat personal experiences lead you to the conclusion that an invisible deity made the earth in six days and that a man rose from the dead ?
sharedidn't you read his conversion story LOL> he said that god helped hims top watching porn and jacking off. and he knows it was the Holy Spirit because "he felt goosebumps".
Not even kidding.
Lol so someone else was touching him while he was jacking off? Weird. Also if he stops jacking off he’s just go to explode while he’s sleeping so it’s pointless.
shareImagine being so indoctrinated and such a sheep, that you treat normal human functions as horrible and something you need magic to get over.
he even said when talking about it how no human could ever of done it themselves.... hes so delusional he thinks an intelligent free thinking individual could never have ever decided and done something themselves. that they need god for even things like that.
This is your brain on religion...
so by this logic hinduism, islam, judaism and all the other thousands of religions are just as valid as christianity and "true". duly noted.
also as Moviechat said the fact its written in a book doesn't make it true or untrue. Try again
Exactly I mean it was also written in a book that Frodo Baggins and Samwise Gamgee took the one ring to Mt Doom to destroy all evil yet we don’t accept that as truth either
shareHes a snake who can only argue in fallacies. You won't ever get a straight answer out of him like most apologists.
shareIf it's not true, then where is Sauron now, huh? Gotcha!
shareAlso assuming you are able to answer the question here you go: https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster/dp/0812976568
shareSooo the flying spaghetti monster wants me to enforce his morals on others so we are gunna get congressmen and senators elected so we can get into their bedroom. Namely he wants us to oppress conservative males and feels we should legislate their visits to the doctors and let us make decisions on it instead of them.
Sorry guys god told me soooo. I have faith you have to believe me
Wtf are you talking about?
shareim making fun of Christians who want to enforce anti gay and abortion laws on people
shareWhat policies would these be? Keep in mind that not receiving special treatment doesn’t equate to discrimination
shareSooo having the same right to get married is special treatment? noted
I also talked about abortion rights. Please explain the "special treatment" there?
So rather than address my two sarcastic examples and criticism. You seemed to push the the right wing straw man of "special treatment".
I could be wrong though you seem to have interpreted my comments as a pro christian pro oppression post.
Who is trying to take that right away?i watch the news frequently and I have yet to see any law maker trying to make a law where gay people they can’t marry. That is literally a non issue in this current political climate. Honestly I don’t care either way, you live your life the way you want to it’s your life. If you want to talk about discrimination according to the laws in my state I can’t serve in public office because I’m an atheist, I don’t let it get to me though because I know that law would never be enforced. Some people need to get over their persecution complex.
No one is against women when they are against abortion, they are advocating for the babies right to live
I didn’t assert any special treatment I was giving you a friendly warning that if you were going to assert lack of special treatment as discrimination it would not be accepted.
So far you have not proven your assertions better luck next time
Also FYI the vast majority of Democrats are Christian also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/states-across-u-s-still-cling-outdated-gay-marriage-bans-n1137936
educate yourself before you look like an idiot
LOL you dont know anything about abortion then do you....my point wasn't "against women" it was trying to legislate laws and rules on her and her body. I was pointing out the irony
wow please stop talking..
That still isn’t persecution you can still be gay all you want and no one is going to stop you, that does not rise to the level of discrimination.
I know far more about abortion than you do it has nothing to do with a woman’s right to do what she wants to her body , and you are more bigoted towards the baby than you claim I am towards the woman.
Please stop talking and quit embarrassing yourself.
Also your source cites two states Virginia and Florida from what I can see, hardly enough to constitute widespread discrimination or whatever you’re trying to assert
Personally kid yeah sure I say let them get married but you said that equated to people forcing their morals on other which it isn’t, you need to man up and quit playing the victim
Except it does. Jesus be quiet. seriously you are an anti fact pleb. do away you loser
"Im bigoted towards the baby"
Jesus man. autism confirmed..
You are bigoted towards the baby you want to take away his or her right to live, you’d have to gain at least 50 iq points just to be considered stupid
shareAgain. Your understanding of abortion is seriously profound. I am embarrassed for you
shareConcession accepted. You are the weakest link kid, goodbye
sharepeak anti abortion arguments "you hate babies"
LOLL
Peak pro abortion argument “you are a sexist who hates women”
sharewhere did I say that?
I said they are trying to legislate on women's rights. nice try though kid. Cant be a man and admit you re wrong for once I see.
Probably an incel
Please show me where I said you must hate babies, all I told you was where the other side was coming from and it’s not sexism.
shareI think you’re about done little man, go back to your basement or your safe space or wherever you run to when you get all worked up like a crybaby.
shareyou said it was a non issue at all. it took me two seconds to find one article about two states..
You do realize there are even christian institutions getting people to sign missions statements. They literally cannot be there if they are gay.
but there's no discrimination!!"
"umm what about this"
"well there's no one stopping them moving up in society!!"
"what about this"
"well umm umm ya but umm"
You are an idiot man
Who is forcing their morals on others and telling them they can’t be gay? Literally no one, choose your words more carefully next time
shareFirst it was "there's no discriminatioN"
now its "people telling them they cant be gay"
you've literally changed your arguement because you were proven wrong
be a man for once in your sad life. Admit you are wrong. it won't hurt
I’d also like to see proof these laws are regularly enforced. First of all this doesn’t equate to Christians “forcing their beliefs on others” which is what you said, secondly just like the laws against atheists if they aren’t regularly enforced then it is a non issue
Edit from a quick google search it seems that anyone trying to deny a gay marriage license is getting overruled by the Supreme Court. It’s not discrimination nor is it attempting to force beliefs or morals onto others. If you have any other examples please present them if not then I accept your concessions
What an embarassement. I now have to go, on the ground, and investigate each instance myself as "proof"
you are a sad little nothing.
Yes I actually expect you to defend your assertions, I’m guessing in your privileged liberal bubble no ones ever asked that of you
shareyes when providing an article of a news story. you expect me to literally visit those people and interview the same people they did?
Where on the spectrum do you lay btw?
You said that they were forcing their morals on them, first of all you haven’t proven those laws are even enforced secondly forcing their morals on them would be forcing them to go to pray away the gay camp. None of which you have provided is even in the same stadium as that. Your premise is dismissed and your concession remains noted
shareI also see you are changing the topic of discussion I accept your concession on the previous topic
sharePlease show us evidence you’re not a complete idiot. Or do we just have to have faith that you’re not.
Your post is clear evidence that you pretty much are so you got that going against you.
Good luck ass hat. Cite your sources.
I see you aren’t able to stay on topic please stop posting on my thread
shareLOL ironically that's what everyone is asking christians to do.
Please prove sources and evidence of god and Jesus and why we should believe. The irony that you somehow missed what the poster was trying to do. which is post the same nonsense christian "dilemma" they always try and ask non believers but instead using the flying spaghetti monster. the idea was to point out the ridiculousness of asking such a question
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( . . )Your head
Why not ask Buddhas or Muslims or Atheists?
It’s sad how some are so brainwashed with hate they can’t tell their ass from their elbow.
Ask yourself. Why are those who brainwashed me so full of hate for Christianity while ignoring Islam. Does it not require the same level of “proof”? This will require self reflection and critical thinking.
Then ask yourself, how is being brainwashed with hate made my life better?
Thats the entire point.
all religious people could ask their own stupid variation of this questin
"what if Allah exists!"
"what if vishnu exists!"
the entire point is making fun of this question. And that the religious people ask a ridiculous hypothetical question when They advent even demonstrated why we should believe in their god.
Hence its as nonsense as asking "what if the flying spaghetti monster exists". Since there isnt any good evidence for that either. Really you didn't get this? This went over your head?
"Ask yourself. Why are those who brainwashed me so full of hate for Christianity while ignoring Islam. Does it not require the same level of “proof”? This will require self reflection and critical thinking."
yes we don't believe in islam either and ridicule it. the difference is we live in countries where the christians constantly try and push their religious morals on others even through politicians and legislation.
amazing anyone who is an atheist and doesn't want the insane christians to force their religion on us is "brainwashed by hate". sad little man
Saying "hey focus on the muslims instead!!" is akin to you living in the USA, being a conservative, and when you complain about the democrats, me saying "well what about the NDP and green party in Canada! they are far more left wing and worse why do you focus so much on the dems and ignore them!!"
Because one has a far larger direct effect on you in your every day life.
Im sorry you call thinking critically and mocking ridiculous comments "hate".
what a simple life you must have. Where we either agree with you or say disagreement is irrational hate. and not only we have to agree with who you like, we have to hate a group who you hate more because.... reasons..
like I said in other threads. You are scared, old and hateful
Neither Christianity nor Islam nor any other religion has any more justification than the FSM.
shareGuys, you have all made your points.
No matter what people choose to believe or think, the bottom line is that there is not a single person on the planet that can provide any irrefutable and incontrovertible evidence that any deity exists or does not exist. Either is an impossibility and that is all that matters about the 'superstition/supernatural'.
At the end of the day, people will believe what they want regardless of logic and reason.
And that’s why it’s not logical to accept any religion
shareTrue, however, with the exception that most are born and raised into it; sadly and unfortunately, many are coerced, pressured, and influenced into it, leaving them with little or no choice. With that in mind, it boils down to how they moderately practice their 'faith/beliefs'. I know some that are easy going and easy to get along with and never 'push' their religion and beliefs on others.
shareYeah the only reason I held onto it for as long as I did was I was afraid of how people would treat me if I became an atheist, finally a few years ago I just said "f-ck it"
shareI don't know who the Flying Spaghetti Monster is but, if you are referring to the afterlife, I tried to be as good as a person as I can be. I am not perfect and I have made a ton of mistakes in my life but, I try to be good and be good to other people. I hope I go to Heaven when I die and that's all I can hope for....
shareWhy do you think that there is an afterlife?
shareMy father passed away five years ago of cancer and he has visited me many times in my dreams. In one of my dreams, he talked to me about Heaven and he told me a secret that he always wanted to run a marathon. I did not know this and I thought it was just my dream. Anyways, I talked to my mom about it and she was floored; she told me that this was true and that he did always want to run a marathon. He never told me this and he only told my mom about this one time when they were dating; this subject was never brought up ever again after they got married so, it is not possible that I could have ever known about this secret. Also, here's the kicker. On the day that my father passed away, the doctors allowed him to be in his bed so people could say goodbye to him. I waited for about 30 minutes before going alone in his room. I gave my dad a kiss on the cheek and told him goodbye. After I said goodbye to him, his blanket slightly lifted up off his body and his face was slightly elevated too. His face went back down to his pillow and his blanket fell back on his body. I truly believe 100% that I witnessed my father being lifted up to Heaven. Think about it; it was 30 minutes AFTER he was declared deceased so how is it possible that his body moved and lifted up?? God lifted him up and I was there to witness it. 100% true story.
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