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Why is this the one time conservatives will say the cops are wrong?


Every other controversial police killing of an unarmed assailant has been defended by the right.

But this one case, conservatives like Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and the infamous Fox Blondes are all saying these cops should burn in hell?

In most other cases the cops are white. Is this because both the cops and the victim are black?

I see no other explanation. I've seen no media conservatives defend the cops this time.

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Have you watched the video? What the police did was clearly wrong.

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I agree with you. I'm questioning why is this the first such incident where conservative pundits have criticized police? When the cops are white, they side with the cops.

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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but for me, race has nothing to do with it. In fact, even if one were trying to ascertain everyone's race while watching the video it's difficult, if not impossible, to do so. I don't pay much attention to what media conservatives have to say, but I've never heard anyone on the right defend the police in a situation where they are clearly wrong. The mainstream/left-leaning media seems to side against the police in every case, even when the police are clearly doing the right thing.

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I think what he may be gettin at was when the cop had his neck of Floyd for, what , 8 minutes and mocked the man when he said he couldn't breath, and then died - a lot of folks said he died of Fentanyl, which of course he did have in his system. But, again, the 8 minutes of strangulation, panic, pulmonary/cardiac stress was kind of pushed to the side.

That sort of thing (minimization/blame shifting on police brutality of white cops perpetrated on black citizens). No other cop, white or black, having the guts/ humanity to insist that the strangler get off the guy's neck.

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I didn't hear anyone mocking Floyd that way. I only heard debate about the role the police officer played in his death vs. the role Floyd's actions played. That seems to be the debate that plays out over and over. Someone like George Floyd lives a life making one bad decision after another, and when the consequence of his final bad decision is his own death, one side sees it as a sort of inevitable outcome, while the other wants to ignore everything that happened to lead up to that point, and only focus on the fact that he died.

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Yeah, I see all that you said as, in essence, talking around eight minutes of being strangled by a cop. We don't expect much out of street people, we expect a lot more out of cops.

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Floyd was having problems breathing while in the back of the police vehicle and on the ground. The cops called the ambulance due to Floyd's distressed mental state. The cops needed to keep Floyd secure since he was likely to run into traffic. The bodycam video shows Floyd cannot breathe at the 9:40 and 10:13 points of the video and the officers used the MPD-approved maximal restraint technique to keep Floyd down on the ground.

https://youtu.be/XkEGGLu_fNU * Floyd can't breathe at 9:40 and 10:13 of bodycam vid b4 knee on neck *

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/minneapolis-police-training-materials-show-knee-to-neck-restraint-similar-to-used-on-george-floyd/89-9f002e3f-972a-4410-86cb-50a1237fc496

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He was also 'having trouble breathing' while beings strangled. I'm done. You can talk to yourself.

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Floyd was not strangled.

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Wow, I thought the officer was convicted of murder and sentenced to 22 years in prison. Thanks for setting me straight !

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He wasnt the first or the last to be wrongfully convicted.

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You're ignoring everything that came before that. He put himself in that predicament. He was out of control, high on fentanyl, and resisting arrest. The police officers certainly weren't trying to kill him, and though it's sad that they did, it's the predictable culmination of the life Floyd led. He had no respect or regard for the safety or happiness of anyone around him, and after 47 years, his actions caught up with him. You can try to spin or frame it any way you want, but if you can't accept that he brought his demise on himself, you're living in denial.

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After the EMT's had checked for a pulse and found none Chauvin continued kneeling on him. Why would you continue doing this if you weren't trying to cause someone harm?

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Everything I've read has indicated that Chauvin held him down until EMTs arrived, at which point he was found to have no pulse and treated. He did not continue to hold him down once the EMTs went to work.

Nothing I have seen, heard, or read about that situation suggests to me that the police were trying to harm Floyd, much less kill him. He was a violent, career criminal who was caught in the act of committing a crime, was under the influence of fentanyl, and acting in a dangerous manner. He repeatedly refused to comply with police instructions. The police restrained him in a manner likely similar to how they had previously restrained hundreds of other criminals. Even the cause of death is debated. Was it the deadly drugs Floyd had taken-- fentanyl kills 175 Americans per day-- or was it being held down? Who knows?

But does it matter? The instigator in all of this was Floyd. He lived a life that made a death like this almost a foregone conclusion. The police reacted to his behavior. We can go back and second guess all we want, and perhaps if they had restrained him a different way, or things had played out in some other manner, he'd have lived that day, but he'd have ended up dead the next day or the day after in some similarly unfortunate and brutal manner.

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I watched the trial. EMT's notified Chauvin that Floyd had no pulse. He continued kneeling on him. After a certain point the EMT had to tap on Chauvin's shoulder to get him off of Floyd's neck.

Here is a time stamped video of the EMT talking about the situation:
https://www.youtube.com/live/APoj5NpzOA8?feature=share&t=470

at 9:54 you will see the image of him checking for pulse while Chavin is still on him.

Regardless of what Floyd's character is like you cannot argue that Chauvin wasn't trying to hurt him. It was proven in court that he was.


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What he was or wasn't trying to do was not proven in court. A jury reached a verdict that he was guilty of killing him, but we don't know his intent. Nothing I see in the video suggests to me that he was trying to harm him, and realistically, everything suggests otherwise. He's in plain sight, being filmed, and he knows it. If he knew he was harming, much less killing him, he would likely have stopped.

You're free to believe what you want.

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Why did he continue kneeling on someone's neck (not approved in training btw) who was handcuffed, motionless, without a pulse, and had 2 other people holding him down?

That's not trying to harm someone?

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Because he was unaware that he had no pulse. For all he knew, if they let up the pressure, Floyd would have pushed them off and tried to flee, possibly harming himself, or someone else, in the process.

It's very easy to retroactively second-guess every action a police officer makes. In the moment, their concern is for their own safety, and the safety of innocent people around them. For obvious reasons, the safety of the criminal comes last. They will try to keep him safe, too, but not if it means risking their own safety, or that of those around them.

George Floyd was out of control. He was on drugs. Holding him down was a justifiable response. Floyd died due to his own errant ways. It's politically correct to blame and jail the officer, but that doesn't change the fact that the police officer did the right thing.

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The second-degree murder charge said Chauvin assaulted Floyd with his knee, which unintentionally caused Floyd’s death. The third-degree murder charge said Chauvin acted with a “depraved mind,” and the manslaughter charge said his “culpable negligence” caused Floyd’s death.

Did you watch the court case? I'm going to guess you did not. Pretty much anyone from either side of the aisle has not. I was able to watch the entirety of it. The police officer was proven to have not done the right thing. His very training officer stated that in the trial. He was made aware Floyd had no pulse from an EMT, but remained on top of him.

I'm sorry, but I just cannot see your side. Again, you're arguing something this has already gone to trial. People spent an extremely large amount of time preparing to argue this event.

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I don't equate a jury's verdict in a trial with the truth.

I think O.J. Simpson killed his ex-wife. Just because a jury determined otherwise means nothing to me.

I think Rodney King was assaulted by police officers, despite a jury determining otherwise.

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I encourage you to listen to the expert's opinions on the event. I'm not talking about the jury. I'm talking about the Dr's who talked about the amount of fentanyl in his system. The Dr that talked about pressure per square inch and restrictive breathing. The officer who trained Derek Chauvin. You get the point.

All of this was proof to me that Chauvin was the exact opposite of "Nothing I see in the video suggests to me that he was trying to harm him, and realistically, everything suggests otherwise."

If you don't have the time to watch I understand, but I wouldn't be so solid in your opinions without hearing the testimonies in the trial. That's my final thought on it.

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Let's go with your theory: Chauvin decided to murder someone in public, in plain sight, with dozens of witnesses, while knowing he was being filmed. Let's assume that's true. That doesn't make much difference in regards to what I've been saying.

My point is that George Floyd brought his demise on himself. He lived his entire life putting himself in situations where an outcome like this was very likely, and it eventually caught up with him. If Chauvin were not the insane, evil man we're assuming him to be, Floyd would very likely have been killed by another officer who was definitely operating within the bounds of the laws and morality. Or by a good samaritan citizen intervening when Floyd was assaulting someone. Or by another criminal.

So again, I believe Chauvin was a bit callous, but he was not intending to kill Floyd. I think Floyd died because of the deadly fentanyl he ingested. But if I'm wrong about that, it doesn't change anything. Floyd would not have been in that situation had he not lived the way he lived.

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I agree with your comments. Chauvin was wrongfully convicted.

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There aren’t that many cases where the police are clearly wrong. Most of the controversial police killings make the news because they fit a narrative, regardless of the actual details. George Floyd was another example where the right did not defend the police. They’ve attacked his character in the aftermath, while the left has propped him up like a hero, but they didn’t defend the killing.

Probably the same reason the media is actually reporting it, and BLM is protesting a black on black crime. It’s because there aren’t many comparable situations. You have to go back 30 years to compare it to the Rodney King beating.

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Because I know what Ecorse, Michigan is like

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Your whole post is based on a false premise.

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The police captain ,Cerelyn “CJ” Davis, is also a negro so its hard for shit to roll up hill here! Surely a white man can be found in the system and blamed.

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Not to sound like a wokster, but the term "negro" is outdated and blacks find it offensive. Just a heads up.

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It's rare a video this brutal is released.

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I heard a black conservative pundit blame the actions of the officers on the decline in black family values. He asserted the fact that too many black fathers are absent and black mothers are forced to raise their sons alone.

I'm not endorsing this view. And I'm not a fan of black conservatives in general - Candace Owens comes to mind. 🤣 But interesting that conservatives are not blaming the police, but black people themselves.

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Very interesting indeed!

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I’ve heard some liberals blaming white people for this. You know, because the entire system is racist. So even if the cops are black, they are still carrying out white supremacy.

I think it’s safe to say that some people just have an agenda. Including you. You’ve been fishing for a race based answer, and when you didn’t get it, you brought it up yourself.

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I'm not fishing for an answer. I know the answer.

No, I don't believe this is the fault of white people. It's about police entitlement. These guys are fucking thugs. And white people are more often the victims of this type of brutality.

I just think it's hilarious that when it's black on black, conservatives blame blacks, not the police. I mentioned a black conservative above who blamed black fathers.

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have you seen boys in the hood, onan? great film. best film i have seen that is made by black and starring black cast.

that film talk in details about lack of black father and effect if have on community. this from from 1991 but seem relevant now.

boys raised by mom grow up to be bitch. they need male guidance or they become bitch.

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Perhaps if the country could get over its fetish with skin color--and I mean EVERYBODY on this--we could attack problems like police brutality in a way that might actually solve the problem.

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Because it's not the one time. I don't remember any conservatives defending Derek Chauvin, nor do I remember any defending Michael Slager. When cops clearly exceed their authority and use excessive force, conservatives have no problem saying they should be held accountable. The Michael Brown shooting promoted a false narrative (hands up, don't shoot) that was subsequently proven to be wrong. Officer Darren Wilson was cleared of any wrongdoing, not only by the St. Louis County grand jury, but the U.S. Dept. of Justice. The death of Freddie Gray was not because he was beaten up by officers using excessive force; he was not secured in the transport vehicle, and although the failure to properly secure him was a violation of Baltimore police department policy, that policy had only been enacted six days earlier, and the officers may not have received the necessary retraining. It's also telling that Baltimore D.A. Marilyn Mosby was unable to convict the officers in court, and George Washington University Law School professor John F. Banzhaf III filed a complaint with the Maryland's Attorney Grievance Commission against Mosby, saying she did not have probable cause to charge six officers in the killing of Freddie Gray, and also that she repeatedly withheld evidence from the officers' defense attorneys. Consequently, she is being sued by the (acquitted) defendants for malicious prosecution.

Just because you don't see any other explanation doesn't mean there isn't one. There is: contrary to the preferred media narrative, police are not "hunting" black people, and the impression that they are is a false narrative being promoted by leftist radicals, and a corrupt and partisan media that rushes to judgment before the investigations are anywhere near over.

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I think the police used excessive force but I am not sure it was murder. If he was beaten to death, that would have been obvious from the autopsy and there still arent any autopsy results available.

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