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You can't go looking to start a fight, and when you get the hostile reaction you seek, use that as rationalization...

posted 3 years ago by pbt (108)
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to shoot them. If that were true, you basically could kill anyone you want by provoking them until you got a reaction from them where you can say you felt your life was threatened.

That's what Michael Drejka tried 3 years ago. He shot and killed a guy after confronting him for parking in a handicap spot, his courage aided by the concealed gun he was carrying.

You might have seen the black and white video of it outside a convenience store:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtzofAUSJI

He was sentenced to 20 years:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/10/769089719/florida-man-who-shot-and-killed-a-black-man-in-parking-dispute-gets-20-years

[–] Galactus03 (4336) 3 years ago

THIS right here. Kudos for you for getting it man...
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[–] RogueDemonHunter (2656) 3 years ago

Could you provide any evidence that Kyle was looking for a fight or acting aggressive in any way?

Nope. Didn't think so. Because it doesn't exist. Because it didn't happen. You're just another empty headed, NPC fool repeating nonsense.

[–] Galactus03 (4336) 3 years ago

The fact that he was 17 and out there. Wasntthere a curfew in place?? Who asked him to come over there in the first place??

Of course he was looking for some action. A 17 year old doesn't travel to another city and state carrying a firearm not expecting some glorification...😂😂

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2656) 3 years ago

I love that your brain can't even comprehend someone willing to put their safety on the line to help other people. Even at 17 Kyle has more bravery and thoughtfulness than you could ever possibly have. And it's clear from your posts that Kyle threatens you because of this, hence your incessant spreading of lies and disinformation. You come across as a child having a tantrum.

And your arguments are so incredibly piss poor, it's truly embarrassing for you.

wAsNtThErE A CuRfEw iN PlAcE?? WhO AsKeD HiM To cOmE OvEr tHeRe iN ThE FiRsT PlAcE??

Were the rioters, looters and arsonists exempt from the curfew? Could you find me someone that asked the rioters, looters and arsonists to be there?

Give it a rest. No matter how many times you post your opinion, it doesn't change the truth. Provide some evidence to back up what you're saying and everyone can try and take you seriously. Until then, you will simply be mocked for refusing to acknowledge evidence. Now perhaps I'm being ableist and assuming you have the ability to see considering you're using an Internet message board. I gather braille technology has developed considerably over the years so I suppose you could be blind, and I apologize. If not, WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEOS.

[–] Galactus03 (4336) 3 years ago

WHO IS GIVING THE RIOTERS AND PROTESTORS A PASS???? NO ONE.

AGAIN HE WAS A MINOR PAST CURFEW BRANDISHING A GUN. NO ONE ASKED HIM TO PROTECT SHIT. This is something YOU do not seem to understand. The fact there were other minors out there does not somehow absolve Kyle from being there. Not everyone killed that night you know....
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[–] RogueDemonHunter (2656) 3 years ago

Why do you keep on bringing up curfews and people being asked to be there? You're attempting to only apply that to Kyle. Please tell me you're aware you're pushing this argument.

What evidence do you have no one asked him to protect anything?

And let's say no one did ask him? So what? Using his own initiative to go out and put himself in harms way to protect people. Oh no. What a terrible Human being...

The only people that killed that night were the ones that were attacked and feared for their life. What's your point?

Still waiting for any evidence he was the aggressor in any of the deaths btw...

[–] PeaceOnEarth (0) 3 years ago

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[–] Galactus03 (4336) 3 years ago

Yeah I know..

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2656) 3 years ago

Acting like what happened is a matter of opinion lol.

Watch the videos.

What's it like to have Trump constantly in your head?

[–] Gd5150 (11305) 3 years ago

Exactly. Which is exactly what Rosenbaum did as was testified to by multiple witnesses at the trial.

This case is over. The prosecutions own witnesses testified it was self defense.

Finito

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

It's always amusing to observe armchair attorneys who considers themselves legal experts.

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2656) 3 years ago

You're not watching the trial I take it then?

[–] Gd5150 (11305) 3 years ago

Clearly. But he’s a dumbass Democrat lemming so that’s a given.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/legal-experts-say-kyle-rittenhouse-has-strong-self-defense-claim

[–] joej2923 (2959) 3 years ago

There is some truth to your statement but Rittenhouse was part of a group protecting the car dealership. Rittenhouse was a little different in that he was trying to be a medic as well. I contend that his desire to act as a medic got him in trouble since it took him away from the dealership and the other guards.

I would have acquitted Drejka of that shooting since the other guy was the aggressor and he was still in striking distance. I would have found Drejka guilty if he shot him in the back or if the guy was clearly out of striking distance. Drejka could have suffered a head injury if his head hit the pavement hard and Drejka was facing off against TWO hostile people.

Allen Scarsella was sentenced to fifteen years for traveling to a protest and shooting five protestors in self-defense but he had a lot of racist texts that they used against him. I still think Scarsella was justified to shoot those guys that attacked him BUT he did provoke them. I disagree with the Scarsella verdict since there isn't a law against rude behavior and people in society should not be allowed to attack people who piss them off.

The facts and circumstances of every case is different so one can't always make comparisons between cases. It usually depends on the jury and every jury is different.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7559639/Killer-black-man-parking-dispute-gets-20-years.html

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/04/26/jamar-clark-protest-shooter-scarsella-gets-15-years

[–] Burk48917 (11116) 3 years ago

He didn't go to start a fight. The violent mob already started it. By your logic, the protestors are the antagonist, since they provoked law abiding citizens.

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[–] LanceDance (1132) 3 years ago

Ergo, the rioters and looters started the fight, so nobody should be surprised that innocent people defended themselves and asked others for help.

[–] Galactus03 (4336) 3 years ago

Show the proof that Kyle was asked to help. Did someone call him at his home in another state and say.."Hey Kyle bring your gun man we need you to protect our gas station."

Because I'm unaware that he was asked. If he was and there is proof and it was authorized by the states law enforcement than I concede my arugument...

[–] kspkap (13183) 3 years ago

It was introduced at trial. They were asked to guard a business by an owner who had already lost another business which was torched by the burn, loot, murder crowd.

[–] Galactus03 (4336) 3 years ago

I just read the owners said they said no such thing.

[–] kspkap (13183) 3 years ago

Those are the sons. The father hasn’t testified. Truth be known they are denying it because as another poster stated they don’t want to be sued.

”Attorney Pierce said that the night of the shootings, Rittenhouse and some friends were cleaning graffiti from a high school in Kenosha when they got a call from a business owner with three businesses, two of which had been burned.

The owner "wanted to protect what was left of his life's work and so he asked for help," Pierce said, and "Kyle and his friends" decided they "would answer that call and that nobody was doing anything to protect that community and they decided they would answer that call and protect that business."

[–] Galactus03 (4336) 3 years ago

https://www.insider.com/brothers-say-they-never-asked-rittenhouse-to-guard-car-source-2021-11

[–] LanceDance (1132) 3 years ago

He told the court that he didn't ask the men to protect the business, but he also didn't ask them to leave.

It's interesting that the Car Dealership brothers didn't ask the armed group to leave. If they didn't want armed guards, they should've told them to leave.

As for whether they really asked anyone for help or not, there's still the brothers' parents, who also own the car dealership and have yet to be called to the stand if I'm not mistaken. We'll see how that goes.

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2656) 3 years ago

Let's face it, if they did ask, they're probably not going to admit it if it was just a verbal thing and not a text or whatever with some proof. They're going to distance themselves as far away from this shitshow as possible in case some numbnuts tries to make them accessory to murder or something mad.

[–] LanceDance (1132) 3 years ago

It's certainly possible. Even though they're POCs, that wouldn't stop the Left from framing them as allying with gun-toting white supremacists, or even being called white supremacists themselves, on top of being made accessory to murder.

[–] kspkap (13183) 3 years ago

From your link:

”Footage then appears to show McGlockton moving away. That's when Drejka, a concealed-carry permit holder, draws his weapon while on his knees and shoots McGlockton.”

You can’t equate the 2 incidents. Your link says the one who was shot was walking away. Even though you’ve been slugged you lose your self-defense plea when your aggressor walks away. You file an assault with the police.

Kyle Rittenhouse was attacked face to face when Rosenbaum lunged at him and attempted to take Kyle’s weapon. Also a shot had been fired by pedophile Rosenbaum’s friend. Kyle had also been threatened by Rosenbaum prior to the shooting. “If I get either one of you alone I will kill you.” He was angry due to Kyle putting out a fire which Rosenbaum started. Rosenbaum removed his red t-shirt and wrapped it around his face & head to protect himself against what he was planning. In the photo you can see him with his white bag, but also armed with a chain. He was out for the kill. He started chasing Kyle. The guy was a raving lunatic, a child molester who needed to die a thousand deaths… so spare us your distorted logic.