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Stick to commenting on movies because you are clueless. In the meantime, pick up a book on police training and educate yourself before commenting on things you have no knowledge of.
shareA bit rich coming from someone who clearly has no clue himself and just parrots the main stream opinion.
Did Chauvin fuck up? Big time.
Should Chauvin never wear a badge again? Absolutely.
Did he murder Floyd? Not so clear...
The one massive elephant in the room of this shit show is Floyd's toxicology report.
If not for that report, or rather its findings, I would not have any issues with the ultimate sentencing, but the thing with murder is, it needs to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Considering Floyd showed signs of physical problems BEFORE Chauvin even touched him, it would be foolish to dismiss the proven fact that Floyd was pumped up with large amounts of Fentanyl and other drugs.
Do you understand how Fentanyl works, what it does? It's an opioid, it literally makes you stop breathing and that's coincidentally exactly what happened to Floyd. He passed out, either because of the drugs, Chauvin or both and he stopped breathing and died for the same reasons.
To pin this completely on Chauvin confirmed to me that this was a fake trial, more or less, with a verdict very much set before anyone even entered the courtroom.
Not to put too fine a point on it: you're bad at thinking.
The guy KNEELED ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S NECK FOR EIGHT MINUTES. Which KILLED HIM. ON CAMERA.
If you do that to another human being, and they're under the influence of drugs, they just might die. If you do it and they have a pulmonary/cardiac condition, they might die. If they've just run a marathon, they might die. Here's the really important part: IF THEY'RE COMPLETELY HEALTHY: THEY MIGHT *DIE.*
THIS is why thinking, reasonable human beings understand YOU DON'T DO THAT TO OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.
Idiot apologists on message boards will continue to obfuscate, however. Shrug. The guy's a terrible human being, who unnecessarily killed someone. While people were looking on, begging him to stop. He belongs in prison. Endof.
"you're bad at thinking."
Said the guy who fails to comprehend plain English...
"FOR EIGHT MINUTES. Which KILLED HIM."
Prove it.
Prove that it were Chauvin's action that were solely responsible for Floyd's death.
You can't, and that leads me back to my original point:
It cannot be proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Floyd expired solely because of Chauvin.
"He belongs in prison."
And I never said he doesn't.
He sat on a guys neck after that person passed out and failed to adjust his measures accordingly and probably aided in that person's death. A suspect in custody also means that suspect is under your care, to some degree. But circumstances considered, this cannot justify locking him away for 20 years after finding him guilty of second and third degree murder as well as manslaughter. That's absurd for the toxicology report's findings alone.
To me, it is is absolutely obvious that the drugs greatly affected Floyd's condition and considering what fentanyl is, I would not be surprised if that is what made him pass out and die regardless of Chauvin kneeling on him or not. The first thing I learned 20 years ago in my professional medical training about opioids is that they cause respiratory depression... and Floyd passed out and stopped breathing... while pumped full of fentanyl and other shit.
What a funny coincidence...
The "funny" part is you ignoring the bottom line, which I explained clearly. Since you're (clearly) challenged, I'll repeat: Chauvin absolutely killed him, and it absolutely happened because he kneeled on his neck for eight minutes. Unless we enter your fantasy world, in which Floyd would've died anyway, just sitting in his car.
You're a clown. Coincidence does NOT always equal causality. . .but to ignore this CLEAR cause and effect is a mind numbingly stupid attempt to apologize for. . .wait for it. . .a Murderer.
"He sat on a guys (sic) neck after that person passed out. . ."
Yes. For a LONG time. And then that person died. And you want to somehow find some other reason why he died.
Go sit down somewhere. You're making a fool of yourself.
"The "funny" part is you ignoring the bottom line, which I explained clearly."
Said the guy who continues to ignore vital facts because they ruin his narrative.
"I'll repeat: Chauvin absolutely killed him"
And I said: Prove it - and that you can't, followed with a perfectly reasonable explanation why.
Considering all you had to offer in return were personal attacks and the same hollow claims on repeat, I guess that's your way of saying "I can't". That's petty, but I'll take it.
"Unless we enter your fantasy world, in which Floyd would've died anyway, just sitting in his car."
Nothing to do with fantasy world as we can see from the toxicology report:
A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
[...]
To be clear here, that amount of fentanyl alone is usually enough to put someone under anesthesia, but yeah I am sure it nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd's death in combination with a bad heart, post-covid infection and decades of drug abuse. All that killed him was a guy's knee... but I am the guy living in a fantasy world?
"He sat on a guys (sic) neck after that person passed out. . ."
"Yes. For a LONG time. And then that person died. And you want to somehow find some other reason why he died."
Not "somehow". I already explained my reasoning in detail. You continuing to pretend it isn't there, doesn't make it go away and everything you said continues to lead back to my original point:
You cannot prove Chauvin killed him, the circumstances considered.
Intensifying your petty attempts to insult me while failing to provide any sort of argument won't change that.
"Go sit down somewhere. You're making a fool of yourself."
The irony...
So why did Chauvin continue to kneel on Floyd for two minutes after they could not find a pulse. Is there any reason to do that other than ensuring the perp is dead prior to taking the knee off of his back?
How is it that almost everyone else knows that Chauvin continued to kneel on a corpse but you?
"How is it that almost everyone else knows that Chauvin continued to kneel on a corpse but you?"
I never denied he continued to kneel on him after Floyd became unconscious, on the contrary, I mentioned it myself in the post you replied to:
"He sat on a guys neck after that person passed out and failed to adjust his measures accordingly and probably aided in that person's death."
Maybe read people's posts before you reply to them and make false accusations?
Nah, where's the fun in that, eh?
As for your question why he did that, only Chauvin knows. Ask him.
Your silly little "Sherlock Holmes from Wish" moment needs to be addressed, though:
"...other than ensuring the perp is dead prior to taking the knee off of his back?"
Ah yes, Chauvin clearly willingly murdered the guy for no reason whatsoever in front of a crowd observing his every move and even filming filming it. That makes sense!
Fuck, crime fighting institutions from all over the world should just ask you for advice, your impeccable sense for detail will solve every case in no time!
Ugh... this place is so lost, why do I waste my time.
There is a huge difference between passing out and not being able to find a pulse. I am not impressed with your backpedaling.
I asked you for an opinion, not evasion. You could just say that you don't know.
So you think Chauvin just accidentally killed Floyd by continuing to kneel on his back for two minutes after he had no pulse? That is naive.
I think Chauvin purposely murdered Floyd while on video. He would not be the only person to ever do this.
"I am not impressed with your backpedaling."
How am I backpedaling?
I keep saying the same things I said in my initial post. You failing to read them is neither my fault nor problem, it is yours, so don't try to make me responsible for your shortcomings.
"I asked you for an opinion, not evasion. You could just say that you don't know."
I gave you both. And still you complain.
I told you I do not know Chauvin's reasons (no one does) AND I gave you my opinion on the rest.
Do you even read the posts you reply to?
"So you think Chauvin just accidentally killed Floyd by continuing to kneel on his back for two minutes after he had no pulse? That is naive."
Even the court came to the conclusion that he killed him accidentally, so I fail to see why me saying the same is suddenly unreasonable or naive? Speaking of naive... I am not the one pretending that nothing but a knee killed a guy who was full of drugs that are known to cause respiratory depression (or cease it completely...).
You act like I am defending Chauvin or as if I am saying he is innocent or didn't do anything wrong when every single post of mine makes the opposite very clear - why do you keep pretending otherwise? Do you really just know black and white, nothing in between? Is it so outlandish for you that there are still people who can think critically and question things and find answers in between two extremes?
The actions of all cops involved and even the paramedics were despicable and required justice, I always did say that and always will say that. What I disagree with is the actual sentencing (20+ years for murder) because, like I explained so many times now, it is foolish to pretend the toxicological circumstances were no factor whatsoever here and just blame Floyd's death completely on Chauvin when the law requires proof beyond any reasonable doubt and 11ng/ml of fentanyl is an awful LOT, even for a big guy and addict like Floyd.
Go ask a doctor if you don't believe me.
Who pretended that the "toxicological circumstances were no factor whatsoever"? Did someone testify to that at trial? If not, then why would it matter?
You claimed, "You can't convince me this guy got a fair trial". This means your mind is already made up and no evidence at all, ever, will change your mind. This is a very immature and naive position to take.
Yes, I think you're defending Chauvin. But I could be convinced otherwise, which makes me very different from you.
Chauvin was found guilty of found guilty of unintentional second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19 Can you show me in the MN statute where unintentional second-degree murder is an accidental killing? You cannot.
"Who pretended that the "toxicological circumstances were no factor whatsoever"?"
Like I said, you, among other people.
My English isn't *that* bad, is it?
If you DO consider the report's findings to be relevant, you can't claim that "Chauvin killed him", because the former contradicts the important factor I mentioned many times by now that you keep ignoring: "...beyond reasonable doubt."
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
"You claimed, "You can't convince me this guy got a fair trial"."
Yet again, you fail to read.
I never even said that.
The OP did.
I am not the OP.
Jesus fucking Christ.
"Yes, I think you're defending Chauvin."
Ah yes, which is probably why I said:
> Did Chauvin fuck up? Big time.
> Should Chauvin never wear a badge again? Absolutely.
> The actions of all cops involved and even the paramedics were despicable and required justice
Clearly, I am a big Chauvin fan, lol. Sherlock strikes again, I guess...
"Can you show me in the MN statute where unintentional second-degree murder is an accidental killing? You cannot."
> Unintentional. It's in the name and it is what matters in context of your silly implication that Chauvin did not have "...any other reason to continue to kneel on a person other than to ensure they are dead?"
No motive, no proof, no nothing.
Obviously you think that someone claimed toxicological circumstances were no factor whatsoever. Who then? I responded to this claim, so you must have someone other than me in mind.
Sorry I confused you with the OP.
Unintentional does not mean accidental.
So the snuff video Chauvin starred in is not proof of anything?
"Obviously you think that someone claimed toxicological circumstances were no factor whatsoever. Who then? I responded to this claim, so you must have someone other than me in mind."
Why do you want a list of names now?
What is your point, if you have one?
I give you one more name: Breeze, the dude who replied to me initially.
Now what?
"Unintentional does not mean accidental."
Fair enough, excuse my language barrier then, but what matters is what I said right after:
"...and it is what matters in context of your silly implication that Chauvin did not have "...any other reason to continue to kneel on a person other than to ensure they are dead?"
You're literally claiming Chauvin killed him on purpose but you have no evidence whatsoever. Nothing.
Again, like I said: No motive, no proof, no nothing.
"So the snuff video Chauvin starred in is not proof of anything?"
Proof of what? That Chauvin killed Floyd? No, it shows that he might have killed him or aided in his demise.
Proof that Chauvin killed Floyd on purpose even? Absolutely not.
Would it prove Chauvin killed Floyd if not for Floyd's insane little party mix in his blood stream? Most definitely, because then there would be nothing that would justify any reasonable doubt. But there is.
As long as we have a body of a guy that died due to asphyxiation that is pumped up to the brim with drugs that make you stop breathing, I find it only reasonable to come to the conclusion that it cannot be PROVEN BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that ONLY Chauvin's actions, as misguided and appalling as they were, are responsible for Floyd's death.
And if people ignore this, they simply join in on a witch hunt and lynching, guided by emotions and ulterior motives. And that is exactly what we do not need as a society.
Did Breeze provide evidence used at the trial? No. Try try on your part though.
Why didn't the defense have a dedicated person like you testifying for Chauvin at trial? Because they know you don't really have any idea what you're talking about.
All you keep doing is claiming I am wrong, but you fail to show how and why, while acting more and more arrogant when you are in no position to do so.
Meanwhile, I provided detailed answers to each and every of your questions and also explanations and my views based on verifiable facts, but you keep ignoring these.
Why?
What, of the things I said, is wrong?
- Did Floyd not have more than 16 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood at his time of death?
- Is fentanyl not an opioid with the side effect of respiratory depression?
- Was asphyxiation not Floyd's cause of death?
- Does the law not require proof beyond reasonable doubt?
- Is it unreasonable to consider that a large dosage of a drug that makes you stop breathing probably played a significant role in the demise of someone who asphyxiated?
So what is it then?
What makes you so mad that you blindly, angrily argue to the point where you're so rabid that you mistake other people's posts for mine and claim I said things I never did while actually ignoring the things I did say?
You STILL act, and openly say, that you think I am "defending Chauvin" when I repeatedly made clear that's not the case and thoroughly agree that Chauvin - and the others involved - belong into prison and far, far away from any sort of badge ever again.
As a former paramedic (hence I know how dangerous fentanyl is), I would even go so far and blame and punish the paramedics that arrived at the scene doing jack shit, taking their sweet as time doing their job.
I just don't understand why you are so adamant on fighting me on this when you ultimately have absolutely nothing to say at all. What's the purpose of that?
Are you just looking to blow off steam?
Are you bored?
Or are you really such a mindless ideologue who needs to virtue signal over things he lacks knowledge about?
What is it?
Whatever it ultimately is, I am sure you can do better than that...
You have not answered all of my questions.
You keep going on and on about the drugs in Floyd's body as if you know more than what the doctors who testified at trial know. So I am dismissing everything you say about the drugs.
I think you can do much better also. But appears you want to make Floyd solely responsible for his own death as though Chauvin was not even at the scene with his knee in Floyd's back for two minutes after they could not find a pulse.
"But appears you want to make Floyd solely responsible for his own death..."
And again you've proven that you do not even read, or comprehend, posts you reply to...
Utterly pointless.
Why do you emphasize the drugs in Floyd's system much more than Chauvin continuing to kneel on his back for two minutes after they could not find a pulse?
shareNot only that, Chauvin continued to kneel on Floyd for two minutes after a pulse could not be found. Is there any reason to do that unless you want to ensure the perp is dead? https://www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-trial-was-officers-knee-on-george-floyds-neck-authorized
shareIf a person is in medical distress and you kneel on their neck and they die, it is murder.
Didn't Chauvin say he needed to restrain Floyd because he was resisting arrest (for what crime?) How could he be both resisting so strongly he needed to be restrained so violently AND be nearly dead from a fentanyl overdose?