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Vivian Vance and J. Edgar Hoover


Remember when Tim Gunn said that when he was a child he saw what he thought was J. Edgar Hoover in drag, but people were saying that it was actually Vivian Vance. Then they learned Vivian Vance had never visited J. Edgar Hoover's office and Tim came to conclusion it was Hoover dressed up like her. I'm still not really sure how you would dress like Vivian.

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Well that's a strange story! Never heard that one. I have heard rumors that J. Edgar dressed like a woman sometimes. But I really don't see any resemblance between him and Vivian Vance.

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Tim's father worked in the FBI headquarters and sometimes he would take Tim and his sister there when they were kids. Tim claims that his father asked them if they wanted to meet Vivian, because Tim was a big fan, as she was in J. Edgar Hoover's office. Then later he learned Vivian had never been registered as being in the FBI headquarters or having ever met Hoover.

I agree he looked nothing like Vivian and also you would think even children would notice if someone was a man in drag. I've known transsexuals that are big and manly - one in particular I knew - and sometimes children would whisper "Is that a man?" when they saw her. Tim claims he really thought it was Vivian until later as an adult and he started questioning it after hearing the rumors Hoover wore drag.

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There are no confirmed instances of Hoover dressing like a woman (his sexuality is still in question, but the cross-dressing thing is no more than urban legend).

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I dunno. I think the OP gave some great evidence it might be true. I've always just accepted as fact that Hoover was a drag queen. Hahaha.

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button down white collared shirt
gray or beige skirt
cardigan

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I just thought of a different angle here. Joseph McCarty investigated Lucille Ball as a member of the Communist party. Maybe Hoover was interrogating Vivian Vance about Lucy. I don't know how anyone can say with certainty that Vance never visited Hoover's office.

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Lucille Ball was a subversive for sure - look at her efforts to get Star Trek produced, the most subversive TV show ever. That is what was so great about Star Trek - that every movie and every subsequent series missed or could not continue with. Sci-Fi is an inherently subversive genre, and Hollywood has done its best to turn it into cartoony BS horror and monsters.

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Agreed, Hollywood has ruined sci-fi with the super hero bullshit.

But yeah, it's not farfetched that Vivian Vance was called into Hoover's office considering the anti-Communist paranoia in Hollywood of the 1950's.

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It was Putin disguised as Hoover in a dress. The KGB used that trick all the time to sneak into FBI HQ and spy.
Vivian Vance is a visitor from Zeta Reticuli who shape shifts into JFK, who faked his death to run Area 51.

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I'm still not really sure how you would dress like Vivian.


Wear a frumpy house dress.

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