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Funny that he complains about Muslims and immigrants in his country of origin yet...

posted 2 years ago by holly61 (901)
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Praised Margaret Thatcher as ''the greatest prime minister the UK has ever had''. He praises her any chance he gets.

Who do you think brought those Muslims in Piers? The UK was like 99% white prior to the election of the milk snatcher. After she destroyed the unions and fired literally every white British person in the factories the mass importation of Pakistani's and Africans began to fill those jobs to work for joke wages. This made the UK what it is today. London is a slum dump where acid attacks are so common the news papers don't even bother to report them anymore and brown and black rapists run wild in the streets. You support this Piers? and I bet you want the same thing for America? Globalization was a ''Tory'' idea.

[–] chilidoggg (13092) 2 years ago

We have this same issue in USA with right-wing nativists worshipping Reagan, Little Bush, and Trump even though all of them were rabid open borders freaks.

[–] JoWilli (15258) 2 years ago

open borders? lolz Trump was enforcing the illegal immigration laws and building a wall.

and did you forget about the Deporter in Chief? 🤦‍♂️

[–] chilidoggg (13092) 2 years ago

Sholom Rubashkin

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5f99194750240f5530ef2093/WINNING-Fewer-Border-Patrol-and-ICE-Agents-Than-4-Years-Ago

[–] JoWilli (15258) 2 years ago

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according to your headline, Trump was more of a friend to immigrants than Obama, Obama was labeled the deporter in chief by immigrants.

you guys flip flop so much, are you for secure borders or not?

[–] chilidoggg (13092) 2 years ago

The Border Patrol link still works. I can't find an equivalent report for September 2020...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/455866/us-border-patrol-agent-staffing/

Border Patrol Agents:
September 2016 19,828
September 2020 19,740

September 2011 21,444

Facts versus Fantasy

[–] JoWilli (15258) 2 years ago

wow, Obama doubled the amount of border patrol agents, he clearly hates immigrants looking for a better life.

it seems by that data that Trump was pro legal immigration. Trump also deported less illegals than Obama.

thanks for posting the facts.

[–] RockAway (1394) a year ago

So I guess you are an Obama supporter now.

[–] JoWilli (15258) a year ago

no, but he did deport those dirty immigrants.

[–] RockAway (1394) a year ago

He did what you wanted him to and you still don't like him? Gosh, you are hard to please.

[–] JoWilli (15258) a year ago

immigrants are good and deserve a chance at a good life. we must give them free money, housing, medical and a great paying job. after all illegal immigrants are more American than Americans.

[–] RockAway (1394) a year ago

Why don't you appreciate what Obama did? I really want to know. Enough games please.

[–] liscarkat (16565) a year ago

Trouble is, regardless of how many there are, they're not allowed to do their job. Thousands of illegals walk in every day, and nothing is done about it.

[–] brux (14666) a year ago

People just do not seem to understand that the elites have to develop their ability to lie to a supreme degress, because in a democracy where peolpe get to vote, reality must be warped to get people to support elite rule that hurts them.

This theory explains perfectly logically why Republicans are the way they are ... and as the elites have taken over the Democratic party too, how and why Democrats play along.

Citizens have no way to express their political will, and there is no reason the bought and sold government has to listen to it.

[–] holly61 (901) 2 years ago

It's incredible just how stupid people can be. Yeah, worship the people that destroyed the prosperity of the middle class and brought the third world into the first to fill jobs that used to allow a single income high enough to support a family.

Funny how immigration continues to skyrocket despite the ''right leaning'' governments in several countries claiming they're against it. I would say they're behind it as all evidence would suggest at least since the 1980's.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

They’re fake right that’s why.

[–] Roguemail (1565) 2 years ago

99% white?

Absolute rubbish. We had immigration in the UK starting way back in the 50s. I lived in London through the 60s, 70s and 80s and there have always been different cultures.

Even when I lived in liverpool in the 60s there were areas populated by Jamaican and Chinese immigrants...and many more.

What fucking planet are you on?

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Yeah maybe not 99% white by 1979, but London and Birmingham were not minority white like they are today.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

While I think you’re right...there’s two components to this.

1. The Tories didn’t listen to Enoch Powell and his “Rivers of Blood” speech. The majority of the working class in Britain back then supported Powell’s immigration policies, and the Tories almost elected him party leader...lost opportunity. The 3rd world immigration had already Begun by the time Thatcher became PM in 1979. Look at the way The British establishment treated Ian Smith’s Rhodesia. They weren’t going to block non white immigration.

2. A lot of the 3rd world immigration began after Tony Blair’s Labour won a landslide in 1997. He really opened the floodgates.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5292859/amp/Margaret-Thatcher-wanted-whites-South-Africa.html

Wright’s diaries reveal his shock at the former PM’s views on apartheid. ‘She wanted a return to pre-1910 South Africa, with a white mini-state partitioned from neighbouring black states. When I argued this would be an extension of apartheid, she barked, “Do you have no concern for our strategic interests?”

And what did she do to achieve this? Nothing. Just talked.

[–] RockAway (1394) a year ago

Less people seem to be willing to admit that ISLAM and anyone associated with that horrible religion is a WAY bigger problem than any other immigrant.

[–] brux (14666) a year ago

Conservatives are not conservatives, they are liars who will say anything and tell you lies about what they thing for money in the present. Piers Morgan is a disgusting anal wart of a human being.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

I don't know what happened to Piers Morgan. He once edited the Daily Mirror, Britain's most popular left-leaning national newspapers (and suffice to say, one of its *few* left-leaning national newspapers). He was very vocally against the Iraq War (to the extent that his newspaper got in trouble for reporting a falsehood regarding British troops sexually/physically assaulting Iraqi prisoners). And he got into a famous argument with Alex Jones on his US TV show, regarding gun control, which Morgan was for. He also once stated during a BBC TV programme that he wished George W. Bush was dead. I remember it vividly, because speaking even as a staunch leftist (and someone who was even more left-wing at the time than I am now) I was aghast that Morgan was allowed to say that during a light entertainment show on the BBC.

So, it's weird that he's now identified as a right-winger/a conservative. I don't doubt that he's a racist and a misogynist, in view of the way he goes after Black women, and if he genuinely thinks Thatcher is the best PM of all time, that's alarming, but in view of everything I've noted, can we say for sure what part of the political spectrum he represents/identifies with? It seems he's like most celebs. He changes his allegiences based on which ever way the wind is turning, or what will get him the most attention.

[–] brux (14666) a year ago

They seem to say that about most of the Right-wing commentators - they used to be Left wing. This reveals the basic truth about politics and class warfare. The Right, the elite, is a minority, and they need to use lies and propaganda the influence the majority who are workers and regular people. So they need to use trusted names and figures and people who can appeal or use the language of the Left.

Back a few months I read Trotsky's book on fascism, which is remarkably relevant, and he describes this beautifully.

So, what we see now in media is the starting up of purported Left wing outlets, but that are funded by covert Right-wing sources, to mentor fake journalists to be comfortable on camera and speaking to the public, and then they make their transition ... which as we can see from a lot of the Right-wing operatives is very lucrative.

The bottom line is that the Right-wing is fake, and they are using money and fake influence to infiltrate and take over the Left and the Democratic party.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

I don't know about this brux. It all seems very conspiracy-theory like, and I honestly thought you were much better than that.

Piers Morgan is an utter prat, but I also think he was genuine when he stood against the Iraq War and against the US's obsession with guns. I think it's simply possible that as he's got older he's moved to the right (which sadly happens to a lot of people) and/or like most people, his politics are more complicated than left v right. He's a bigot, a racist and a misogynist, yet it's also possible that he quite rationally and reasonably thinks illegal wars and the US's obsession with guns, are wrong. I mean, I've encountered many people far further to the left of him, who are also misogynists and racists.

All that said, he is part of the neoliberal establishment, but that applies to practically every high-profile figure in the mainstream media (but that has nothing to do with concerted and conscious conspiracy theories; it's just powerful and privileged people, acting as individuals, recognising where their interests lie, and making the cognitive changes necessary to maintain them).

[–] capuchin (2673) a year ago

I also think he was genuine when he stood against the Iraq War and against the US's obsession with guns. I think it's simply possible that as he's got older he's moved to the right

All possible. But bear in mind that before he was editor of the Mirror, he worked for Murdoch on both The Sun and the News of the World. Personally, I've always thought of him as more of a 'These are my principles. And if you don't like them, I have others' kind of a chap.

I think he believes in any given moment what he calculates best serves his own interests.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

'These are my principles. And if you don't like them, I have others'

Definitely. He was an odd choice for The Mirror, in view of the Murdoch connection, but I suppose they just wanted someone with a successful track-record, but like a chameleon, he did manage to make himself *seem* like the right fit at the time.

In all just confirms one's cynicism about how ruthless and integrity-free these people are (i.e. the celebrity class), and yet the irony is that this is a man who spends a lot of time on social media calling out everyone else's failings and 'hypocrisy'.

[–] brux (14666) a year ago

> and I honestly thought you were much better than that.

You have no basis to judge me, and it shows you to be unhanded and dishonest in discussion.

Trump was right about a few things too ... it means nothing.

> I've encountered many people far further to the left of him, who are also misogynists and racists.

I doubt that. But your anecdotal experiences means nothing as well except that you are dishonest another instance in the way your discuss/debate.

> (but that has nothing to do with concerted and conscious conspiracy theories; it's just powerful and privileged people, acting as individuals, recognising where their interests lie, and making the cognitive changes necessary to maintain them).

First of all that thesis is merely your opinion that has no supporting facts, but No, it is more than that when people pursue their interests against the government or morality.

You are just wrong on all counts today.

[–] HarveyManFredSin (4877) a year ago

brux, no need to be so offended. I generally respect your views, but, with all due respect, you don't strike me as a conspiracy theorist, and it surprises me somewhat to see you express ideas that could be described that way.

Funnily enough, my comment about there being people further to the left than Morgan who are *even* bigger bigots, was said in support of *your* argument. I was saying that on reflection it isn't that shocking to find someone who is ostensibly anti-war and anti-guns, who is also a bigot on other issues. I was basically *agreeing* with you.

I'm not sure about your last point, but I tend to subscribe to the Occam's Razor approach to human behaviour. The most obvious explanation is usually the correct one. I don't think people get together in smokey rooms to plot world domination. It's more that they cognitively adjust their beliefs to suit the situation that they find themselves in. It does basically amount to the same effect, but it's less contrived than a full-blown conspiracy theory. It's more a case of someone basically saying, or implying, "You want to work for us, you better get with the program..."

[–] brux (14666) a year ago

It is wasting both our times for you to be reporting what surprises you about me personally. You know nothing about me but what you infer from reading a few of my comments. It is a dishonest waste of time.

If your logic is flawed or anecdotal, are you suggesting it should be accepted by the people it might support? That is the heart of corruption.

> I don't think people get together in smokey rooms to plot world domination.

Davos Switzerland. Ukraine war. Vietnam war, Iraq war ...

They do. There is an interesting old book about the Republicans doing exactly that by David Brock. Forget the name, but there are tons of think tanks funded by Right-wing groups that do exactly that.

Again, what does telling me what you THINK do for either of us. When you are constantly wrong in certain ways it just makes me less likely to spend my time discussing anything with you.