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How Much Information is Still Not on the Internet?


Where to start?

Considering the Internet has only been around for 3 decades now and books, newspapers, magazines and records have been around for centuries, there could be a world of information still not available on-line.

Say for example an old movie magazine from like 1920 detailing the production of a long-lost silent film.

Or an old newspaper story or achival news footage from 50 years past that covers a chilling crime that happenened in your neighborhood. Spooky.

Or a council history and old photographs of your locale and its landmarks.

Or a long lost book about an historical event with long forgotten details.

Or a long-lost book about a forgotten and marginal figure from somewhere in the world; perhaps the biography of an athlete from Persia who competed in the 1936 Olympics and was planning to pull Hitler's trousers down or something...

Considering that there are still dozens of countries without Internet access, there would surely be a wealth of information pertinent to their history and culture that is not available on-line and remains unknown to outsiders.

And to think one corporate search bar functions as the purveyor of all knowledge past and present, and the widespread consenus is "If it's not on Google then it didn't happen".

Hell, even searching in Google for some insight into the question "How much information is still not on the Internet?" yielded only two search results from Quora...

What are people's thoughts on this?



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Bump. Bump. Bump.

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I'll bump this shit again...

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Plenty?

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Let me Google it first.

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Most of the really important information is not on the internet. It's called the mushroom treatment.

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Only god's real name is not somewhere on the internet. When everyone finds out that it's Boop-Boop Jr., they're gonna be all like "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?"

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I'm an archivist, and if you only knew.. There's so much great information (time capsules) out there waiting to be viewed, but those seem to have the least amount of views. I've even tried to find a word to describe the love of interviews, because when you do a search, you get a lot of stuff you don't, much like if you like the band America..

There's so much that has been destroyed unfortunately... For example, Mort Sahl... I write to Universities for any archives, and I found an interview from 1960, paid the $40, but then had it refunded because they said the reels were bad, and that they only digitize upon payment. Universal Studios had a few fires, and so many Masters were destroyed, including Billie Holiday.

So I try to upload that stuff that isn't online, including a documentary on this young man who freed the archives (Z-Library, I think) .. Aaron Schwartz, but YouTube is a problem, too... I'll upload something, and be told "User Allows Content To Be Used" and my channel isn't monetized, so I privatized 300 videos, including an Audio Diary from 1969, with this woman from the US traveling to Australia.

I notice US and Russia don't allow many videos I try to upload.

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Wow, thanks 👍👍 That's really fascinating! What other fascinating artifacts have you unearthed in your work? The 1969 Australian travelogue sounds great too (I'm also Australian) What were her experiences & locations she visited?

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You're welcome, and thanks for showing interest! I learned you are probably the first person to ask. Even when I'd start a conversation, people never asked questions. The lack of curiosity is scary.

Speaking of Australia, I spent almost every day of the 6 months I was there (first trip) in Melbourne, at the State Library, looking through microfilm. I learned a lot about children from the UK and Canada who were abused after going to Australia. I've always been a fan of 'populist history' and do believe "Biography is History" and would read individuals post their personal story, usually about their parent.

I'm chronologically obsessed.. Even as a boy, I would always guess the year a film was made as my brother was flipping/testing me, and I was always within a year or two off. Even listening to music, interviews, and it's a great way to see how one changes. But you can definitely catch people in lies, especially an ex-President who describes a big event. Sometimes it changes to be politically correct, to make themselves look better, or usually during the release of a book. Bad memory, possibly, so I tried to stratify as best as I could. I also love zeitgeist, and love random. I never use Twitter, but at times, I'll look up a person, and then click LATEST, for random precision.

Redactions. I tried to get my publisher to advance me money against profits (yeah right!) for a book entitled "Redactions". Media sometimes purposely publish false story and only change it when under pressure. Sometimes to avoid a non-story becoming a story, the victim (usually a celebrity or government worker) would ignore it. I used newspapers.com (and similar sites) and would check out the days before/after, and they probably never thought YouTube would exist. It's so easy to go back and verify.

If I liked an interview in print, I would try to find the audio, and this happened with Jimmy Hoffa, and there's a few times where someone uses words in print that (to be continued... fucking low assed character count)

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This low character count is another problem. The moderators couldn't imagine a conversation being over twitter limits I guess. Tik-tok with their 20 second limits. I got into the cell phone business in high school and had a store by 2005, so I saw a lot of this shit happening, but it's horrible now... I see many who'll think, "I'm not reading this on this little phone" and put down something important for something "easy". Things that don't require attention, focus.

I lost my train of thought, but if you ask specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them as well.... Of course, I'd look at major events like WWII, and in every country, they were sort of the center of the war, even if they weren't. Part of it is understandable, because the superpowers are talked about, those with influence. I've read so many Canadian writers say how much more they pay attention to our elections, because we're going to drag them with us, to an extent.

I learned that people lie a lot more than I thought.. Sometimes people answer questions to get rid of someone. Orson Welles was one who hyped himself up a lot, and it still didn't work, or maybe it did, and perhaps he would have even less work had he not made shit up, and later blame it on him pretending to know more Italian than he did.

It seems like culture followed the economy. Around 1973, the cost of living has gone up, and has gone up since, and regardless of economic numbers, things will get more difficult.. Working more for less, on average when factoring inflation, and even more factoring in production. I learned to pay attention to terms like "median" and "mean". Stats are used and manipulated. If a billionaire moved to your small town, the average income will rise so high, and the mayor can say, "Under my leadership, ...... My plans worked" as opposed to median.

I think people underestimate the media.. So many times I've heard, "I'm not influenced by commercials"... Companies wouldn't spend millions of dollars for a 30-second commercial if it didn't bring back a ton more. Fucking character count lost my train of thought again. I'll wrap it up.

I looked at US newspapers completely separately. My interest was seeing what cities emphasized what. I even enjoyed checking out the classifieds, and so any time I encountered something, I'd save the clipping, and now the digital form.

The media STILL seems to decide what people discuss. Whatever they talk about, people talk about. Sexual politics is the new thing because that's where they have you by the balls!

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Oh you're welcome! And thanks again for sharing your time & posting those links 👍
I've always been immensely fascinated by little known or undiscovered history, personal biographies too, and history that that's considered unremarkable by most others.
For example, over the years I'll occasionally scour the Internet for any pictures or documentation that might exist of an old drive-in cinema that once stood in my suburb. I did somehow manage to find a program schedule for its opening night in 1971 where the first film shown was the Abominable Dr Phibes 😛
Even old street directories are a source of fascination. Discovering local streets & old establishments that no longer exist is always a trip for me.
Also enjoy reading old TV guides & listings for bizarre, forgotten programs.

And wow, the Melbourne State Library is not that far from me. What other things did you discover through microfilm there that's stuck with you? Who were those poor children from Britain & Canada abused by in the 1970s?

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Yeah, anything from the past is never trivial. I was just looking to see Venezuelan news when Nixon visited in 1958, as opposed to the US propaganda. It's nice to see the other side's propaganda, too.

I have plenty of e-book biographies myself, and it's a majority of what I read. You might like thewaybackmachine (checking out your favorite websites 20 yrs ago, for example).

It was on Elizabeth Street, right? We used to always hang out on the lawn in between sessions, since 90% of the people seemed to be backpackers, and was a great way to meet and chat up a girl... I published all the specifics, and do have the rest logged in many notebooks and word documents, but that was what I remembered most.. The children from the UK were sent off to avoid getting bombed, and were abused by Australians who adopted them. The Immigration Museum had bulletin boards, and I would read them all, mostly the children of those who were sent to Australia, and all the cases were about some kind of abuse, and being afraid of suddenly being uprooted, not knowing what was going to happen during WWII.

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Oh that be Swanston St, next to RMIT University and one street away from Elizabeth. The lawn is still a popular meeting & social spot for backpackers & students.

How tragic and heartbreaking. And a definite example of largely forgotten or otherwise untold history.

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I think the internet available to the public is only going to get smaller as time passes.

Do a search on something random and tell me what you find - probably ads, sponsored sites, a few sites with your search result (likely most of them Reddit based) and you'll probably say to yourself, there can't be zero pictures of Kevin Bacon in lederhosen on the internets. Oh wait, that got awfully specific. Someone edit that last bit out.

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^^^ This

Information is deleted. Sometimes it's replaced with more recent information while other times to make it easier to find a webpage/product that a company wants to promote.

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Exactly this and it's getting worse and worse. The same big sponsored results repeating themselves endlessly, only receiving Quora results when asking a question (which is unreliable user based & requires subscription to read through) & any results over a decade old being almost impossible to find.

I also remember when typing in a movie or show would immediately result in their official websites showing up.

YouTube has also become worse.

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EVERYTHING is on wikipedia.

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