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Why Are Older Movies SO Much Better?


Many, many reasons.. Rank them in order.

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Nostalgia.

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i wasnt even born then.. deal with it. the last couple of generations are empty in every aspect of society.

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I dunno, you just said older movies, it could be anything.

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Older movies are not better. It just seems that way because the old bad movies are forgotten.

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They are MUCH better. Name all the "great" movies made in the last generation or two. No contest.

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Harry and Tonto
La Strada
Nashville
They Shoot Horses, Don't they?
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Network
The Battle of algiers
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
A Woman Under The Influence
Buffalo '66
Mr. Deeds Goes to Town
la grande illusion
the seventh seal
ace in the hole
wild strawberries
McCabe & Mrs. Miller
-Fat City
the misfits
a child is waiting
mikey and nicky
a face in the crowd
on the waterfront
Birdman of alcatraz
12 angry men
grapes of wrath
elmer gantry
annie hall
sunset boulevard
johnny got his gun
harold and maude
umberto D
taxi driver
a cloockwork orange
the godfather
rashomon
ikiru
bicycle thieves
citizen kane
seven samurai
gentleman's agreement
shane
shoeshine
You can't take it with you
A Taste of Cherry
the devil and daniel webster
the outlaw josey wales
the swimmer
red beard
dodsworth
the incident
never on sunday
the rules of the game
last tango in paris

loneliness of a long distance runner
meet john doe
crossfire
all about eve
au hasar balthazar
le jour se le ve
chinatown
barry lyndon
-Knife in the water
-bad boy bubby
-the collector
-shadows in paradise
-the match factory girl
-ariel
-the plumber
-crime and punishment
-friends of eddie coyle
-ladybug, ladybug
-the new centurions
-boy
-il sorpasso
-thief
-la tera trema (the earth trembles)
love streams
opening night
fist in pocket
pather panchali
accattone
mamma roma
-M
-cathy come home
-kapo
dog day afternoon
high and low
manhattan
a streetcar named desire
touch of evil
casablanca
make way for tomorrow
tokyo story
-the fifth monkey
-the woman on the beach
-equus
-the front
-david and lisa
-the harder they fall
-looking for eric
-the desperate hours
-looks and smiles
-la promesse
-that cold day in the park
-david and lisa
-the straight story
-whity
-the bitter tears of petra von kant
-the merchant of four seasons
-mother kusters goes to heaven
-veronika voss
-ali: fear eats the soul
-naked
-secrets and lies
-nuts in may
-meantime
-all or nothing
-two is a happy number
-nevada smith

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a woman in the dunes
-riff raff
-the happy ending
-papillon
-the outrage (8.5)
-i, daniel blake
-a man to remember
-our vines have tender grapes
-hombre
-the road builder
-dry summer
-an enemy of the people
-Paisan
-La Bianche Notte
-Place de la République
-A Special Day
-hardcore
-the roof
-Sunflower
-To DIe For
-sounder
-the blue hotel

-The Cranes Are Flying
-Autumn Sonata
-the heiress
-Fat City
midnight cowboy
-zandy's bride
-litle fugitive
-lies my father told me
-my dinner with andre
-all fall down
-dogville
-brink of life (bergman)
-The Working Class Go To Heaven
-Kes
-Hunger
-An Autumn Afternoon
-A Taste of Cherry
-Close-Up

-nights of cabiria
-The Caretaker
le jour se le ve
the lost weekend
the deer hunter
-Peeping Tom
-Hell Drivers
-Ride the high country
-Ordet
-Marriage Italian Style
lolita
heaven can wait
Godfather Part II
The Blue Dahlia
too late blues
One-Eyed jacks
M
the last detail
persona
in cold blood
and justice for all
the conversation
marty
five easy pieces
-Joe
caged
il gido
two women
-paper moon
-johnny belinda
interiors
come back, little sheba
Patch of Blue
caged
alice in the cities
wrong move
raging bull
the snake pit
splendor in the grass
seargant york
the third man
Baby Doll
paths of glory
home of the brave
the caine mutiny
mr. smith goes to washington
I live in fear
La Dolce Vita
inherit the wind
asphalt jungle
love story
The Graduate
high noon
stagecoach
the getaway
The Wild One
anatomy of a murder
from here to eternity
the long goodbye
Salt of the Earth
mildred pierce
This is Spinal Tap
the searchers
No Regrets For Our Youth
One Wonderful Sunday
alice doesn't live here anymore
apocalypse now
Giant
key largo
maltese falcon
cat on a hot tin roof
-The Slender thread
-The Hitchhiker
guess whose coming to dinner
on golden pond
spartacus
easy rider
cool hand luke
blackboard jungle
-of human hearts
-the great sinner
-i want to live!
doubel indemnity
a place in the sun
lust for life
vagabond
the bad and the beautiful
the wild bunch
alfie

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hud
body and soul
tootsie
hunger
serpico
bonnie and clyde
brute force
sweet smell of success
all the president men
Summer With Monika
the last picture show
cape fear (1960)
patton
ivan's childhood
mean streets
norma rae
the life of emile zola
bang the drum slowly
husbands
i never sang for my father
opening night
zelig
singing in the rain

cool hand luke
-nights at maud's
the day the earth stood still (1950)
ballots or bullets
it happened one night

advise and consent
the candidate
strangers on a train
room at the top
im a fugitive from a chain gang
gloria
the outsiders
things to come
the hustler
the sting
its a wonderful life
jeremiah johnson
Lenny
kramer vs. kramer
rocky
scarface (1932)
clash by night (1952)
the manchurian candidate
johnny guitar
mutiny on the bounty
-l'argent
-my brilliant career
-the man who knew too much
-without pity
-hondo
-germany year zero
-stranger than paradise
-cinema paradiso
-Hell in the Pacific
-deliverance
-Made For Each Other
-The Sign of the Leo
-The Insect Woman
-The Face of Another
-Adrift on the Nile
-The Insect Woman
-The Forest For the Trees
-Eyes of a Stranger
-Onibaba
-A Bad Son
-Series Noire
-Cairo 30
-Fate of a Man
-Mr. Klein
-l'eclisse
-rocco and his brothers
-the cat
-contempt
-La.Caza
-Ana-ta-han
-Petulia
-fresh
-bellissima

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-the ascent (shepitko)
-ole del doff
-la notte
-kattie tippel
-turkish delight
-it happened in broad daylight
-the visit
-zombie and the ghost train
-spoorloos
-the ox-bow incident
=the worthless
-arvottomat
-payback
-girlfriends
-wanda
-Stroszek
-Shame
-Hell in the Pacific
-Knife in the water
-bad boy bubby
-the collector
-shadows in paradise
-the match factory girl
-ariel
-the plumber
-crime and punishment
-friends of eddie coyle
-ladybug, ladybug
-the new centurions
-boy
-il sorpasso
-thief
-la tera trema (the earth trembles)
-chat room
-the fifth monkey
-the woman in the dunes
-equus
-the front
-david and lisa
-the harder they fall
-looking for eric
-the desperate hours
-looks and smiles
-la promesse
-that cold day in the park
-david and lisa
-whity
-the bitter tears of petra von kant
-the merchant of four seasons
-mother kusters goes to heaven
-veronika voss
-ali: fear eats the soul
-naked
-secrets and lies
-nuts in may
-meantime
-all or nothing
-two is a happy number
-nevada smith
-the effects of gamma rays
-a woman in the dunes
-riff raff
-the happy ending
-papillon
-the outrage (8.5)
-i, daniel blake
-a man to remember
-our vines have tender grapes
-hombre
-the road builder
-dry summer
-an enemy of the people
-Paisan
-La Bianche Notte
-Place de la République
-A Special Day
-hardcore
-the roof
-Sunflower
-To DIe For
-sounder
-the blue hotel
-stranger than paradise
-cinema paradiso
-Joe
-The Cranes Are Flying - 10/10
-Autumn Sonata
-the heiress

-zandy's bride
-litle fugitive
-lies my father told me - 9/10
-nights at maud's
-my dinner with andre
-all fall down
-dogville
-brink of life (bergman)
-The Working Class Go To Heaven
-Kes
-Hunger

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Do you mean the last 20 years compared to the 60 years you mentioned?

So if I mention a third of what you mentioned in terms of titles of good films then I have proven my point?

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Spun

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Off the top of my head I'll say the people who were making films in the past were interested in creating art. Being monetarily successful is necessary, but the impulse was to create something interesting to ponder and beautiful to behold. I think nowadays a lot of people get into the business because it's a cool clique to be in, and the stress is on making $$. There are fewer visionaries and intellectuals working today in film.

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well put, snepts

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I loved the "screwball" comedies like The Thin Man, My Man Godfrey, etc. Have you noticed that there are no comedy movies these days?

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Wasn't until I was in my 50s when I finally saw It Happened One Night, with Clark Gable and Claudette Colbert. I'm hard pressed to explain why they don't or can't make movies like that right now.Isn't this one of Sandra Bullock's areas of charm, like with Ryan Reynolds and Bill Pullman?

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I've noticed. I like the "screwball' comedies, too. Comedy these days relies too much on insults and vulgarity. Give me just plain silliness, please!

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International market means watering down every theme that could possibly be offensive to anyone. Lowest common denominator. Everything has to be universalized.

This applies on a smaller scale too. Movies are so expensive now that they must serve a broad audience. No more great R rated action moves that cost $60 million to make. Now it's all $300 million dollar copyrighted CGI fests, or obnoxious Blair Witch and Paranormal Activity student films. The ironic thing is that neither side can afford a tripod.

I think it's a conspiracy. Movies have been made artificially more expensive, in order to give Hollywood more control. There's nothing in Avengers Meet Transformers that should cost more than say $20 million. They don't even use real special effects.

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i. The sheer volume of movies being made today. I found a reference that said in the early 90s, around 450 to 500 Hollywood movies were made every year. Now it hovers around 700. Extrapolating, there were probably about 350 to 400 movies annually in the 80s. So good movies get lost in the sheer volume of mediocre stuff being made every year. (And new production/ distribution models such as Netflix are compounding the problem.)

ii. Fresh ideas are becoming rare. So you see a lot of re-makes / re-boots / re-imaginings while the original ones are still around.

iii. Formulaic film making. If a film becomes mega-successful, it quickly establishes a template that gets repeated over and over again. It's expensive to make mega-blockbusters so, if a movie clicks, there isn't much financial incentive to vary the formula. This is particularly true of 'franchise' movies.

iv. Related to iii. above is the reliance on CGI and special effects to gloss over mediocre scripts. The special effects drive the story rather than the other way around.

v. Over-saturation of PR, internet analysis, etc. When I was growing up in the 60s, you didn't even hear about a new movie until a few months before it hit the screens when you would see a single trailer for it. Now, with the Internet, teasers/trailers, announcements happen 2-3 YEARS before the movie arrives. There is endless discussion, analysis and speculation in that time. Broad plot details are leaked or extrapolated. When the movie finally appears, the fun of discovery is gone. There are no surprises.

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I think you make some very good points. Excellent post.

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I agree!

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Fresh ideas are no less common than they've ever been. But the unwillingness to take the financial risk in them has changed the landscape. Fear drives Hollywood. That's why so much of what's offered is based on something that's pre-sold.

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I read somewhere that critics picked the 1970s as the best decade for film. It was a great decade because so many great directors were at their top, Scorsese, Spielberg, Coppola, Kubrick. So it all comes down to talent. I think the current film industry isn't shying away from talent but afraid to take on new material due to financial concerns.

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