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Why Is Everyone Killing Themselves?


Hangings, etc..

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Doing a quick google search, it certainly is shocking how much the suicide rate has risen in the last 20 years - 30% to be exact here in the US. For me, the most shocking with Anthony Bourdain.

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I had a cell phone store in 2004. I have documented in my journals the pattern of its downfall, and not just in the US, but even in "third-world countries" I visited, or countries I lived in overseas during my backpacking travels... Social interaction and cultural exchange had been dying out, so I don't even have an interest to travel anymore, considering its very expensive. I rather spent it on something else..

I'm a curious person, but this started by circumstance. 20 years ago, it was the hot thing, so I started selling phones on ebay, saw success, and then managed a few stores until I was sure I could start my own store. I needed financial partnership, and had a friend in high school was always interested. It did well, but it wasn't worth my soul, my life (working 7 days a week, open to close). So I was aware of it then, and when customers would go nuts if their phone was turned off for 2 minutes, or if they couldn't find a simple function, they did not act normally. I can remember the face of one who walked past everyone in line, holding her phone at me and saying "I need this for my kids" and have observed, and once you could access internet on your phone.... downfall. But of course now its a bit too late. I was watching the NBA game on ABC, and if you did, you heard them say how bad it was for SOCIETY (and the game).. And those who knew better thought they'd make ALL the money they could exploiting the problem until it flipped.. Just like the opiate thing. Now the money is "curing" the same people they got hooked.

Movies -- CGI, re-makes, business models, trivial and gossip, tokenism, exploitation using sex and violence (instead of love, romance and justice). Just look at the knuckleheads who run the industry (Harvey Weinstein) and many others. Music has also been replaced by fake drum-machines, auto-this, auto-singing, apps, computers which is why you'll hear about an "artist's" social media than whatever they do. Removing the human dynamic makes things soulless, and it seems to set our goal posts for morality. Decadence.

Add that to a new online ego, which seems to be more important to others. For 99% of human history, we communicated face to face, and now its almost reversed. Less empathy, bad social skills, and a lot of mental problems as a result.

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Lack of human interaction is definitely one of the top theories. Another one I hear a lot is loss of hope, which is also tied into the drug epidemic. People just aren't making it nowadays and are either trying to blunt their pain with drugs/alcohol or just end it all together. Something like 1 in 6 Americans are on medications for anxiety, depression, etc. That is not ok. Back in the day, you could support a family on minimum wage. Today, you would barely scrape by taking care of yourself and it wouldn't even be a dignified life. I also think the the cost of a college education is fucking ridiculous. The average person can't afford it and the ones who can are still stuck with debt into their 30's. Many people aren't even given a chance. .

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The people who are already wealthy, or born into wealth, become addicted to building that wealth for no real reason. Less fluidity for the economy and for the not-wealthy.

The rest are born into a life where they are told the sky is the limit.... turns out that sky is falling and that limit is crashing down on them. The pieces of the pie are practically gone.

So when the disillusionment hits, people will indulge in what they can.

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makes sense

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The apocalypse is looming and mankind is beginning to sense its demise.

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I welcome the end with open arms.

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Because dead is the new alive, man... didnt you know? Gotta keep up with the times, man!

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Out

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Fuck you I said it first

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have you read or heard of sebastian junger's book 'tribe?'

i read it about a week ago, and found it to be chock-full of some startling insights. i read quite a bit, and don't think i'm naive to human nature, but i was quite startled by his book & some of the implications in it. if you have time, i highly recommend it. it's very short - just a 120 pages of text or so, & quite large print. you could easily read it in an afternoon or weekend.

i bring it up because i think it has all kinds of relevance to conversations like this. junger relays some pretty amazing anecdotes, some that were not new to me, but some that were. did you know that, when america was first being settled, there was an ongoing, constant phenomena of people leaving their communities to live with native tribes? and that women & children that were kidnapped by tribes often refused to go back to their communities, or fled if they were captured back by posses? and that it seems it never happened in reverse - that native americans never seemed to leave their communities to join europeans?

junger uses that as a jumping off point to illustrate that the lives we live, the modernist first world life, living in cities, surrounded by strangers, is really quite foreign to the human experience, and that with the tech world & social media bubbles, that is only increasing.

i'm a big admirer & advocate for the modern world & free markets & free trade, all the elements of cosmopolitanism that have given us the most comfortable lives in the history of this planet. yet i think there is a truth in junger's point that the way we live is somehow unnatural & unfulfilling in some way deeply ingrained with human nature.

there was a great interview with unger on the econtalk podcast a few months ago. worth a listen if you're interested.

http://www.econtalk.org/sebastian-junger-on-tribe/

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i'm totally not an advocate of modernity, and dont see it comfortable at all.. Food and rent skyrocket and there are hardly any decent jobs unless you want to be 100,000 in debt and still working for minimum wage (less than 5 euros/hr in the US). I've lived in the US and now back in France where we have a social safety net,,,,,,, maybe that book isnt for me, but i did enjoy reading your post,,, i'd rather read a few sentences of 100 authors than spend the same amount of time reading one man's point of view,,, ive always been interested in trends and things that happen organically

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well, i don't want to derail the topic by getting bogged down in economics, though that's an area of deep interest for me as well.

but if you have the time, i'd really encourage you to give a listen to the junger interview i linked to above. if you play it at double speed (that's how i listen to podcasts, & i still find them comprehensible), it'll only take 38 minutes to get through.

junger's book & his interview really made me question some of my own strongly held beliefs about the world & what might be best for people, & i love it when authors can do that.

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It is disturbing that people who seem to be doing well in life are taking their own lives. Success doesn't always bring happiness, I guess.

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