Should Canada Build Wall to Keep Out Illegal Americans? - Politics Discussion

Most going up there from here are illegals here going up there to escape deportation.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

Read the article which is about illegal American tourists.

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Only the anti-vaccine takers who refuse to take covid vaccine should be banned. They don't deserve to a high covid spike because dumb idiots want to ignore safety guidelines to maintain their "rights and freedom".

Prove of covid vaccinations should be required for entry. I'm not gonna lie, if I had the opportunity, I'd move to Canada for a few months until this pandemic is under control.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

New Zealand is my choice.

""There are no new cases of COVID-19 to report in New Zealand today. It has been 101 days since the last case of COVID-19 was acquired locally from an unknown source. Two additional cases are reported as having recovered, so there are now 21 active cases of COVID-19 in managed isolation facilities. New Zealand's total number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 remains at 1,219.""

New Zealanders are encouraged to add masks to their emergency kits in case of a future outbreak, though "there's no need to use them now," Bloomfield said in a Facebook Live discussion last week.

"Shopping, movies, entertainment, going to bars," he said. "We can dance as close as we like to each other in nightclubs as late as we like. So everything is just fine in that regard, and business is carrying on as normal."
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/10/900882499/in-new-zealand-life-is-ordinary-again-after-101-days-with-no-community-spread

sigh!

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[–] dteam6 (5073) 4 years ago

Your first mistake is asking him to read, period.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

You have a point.

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[–] dteam6 (5073) 4 years ago

Judging by his thoughts on Floyd and BLM around here, he knows only three letters: K...K...and K.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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[–] dteam6 (5073) 4 years ago

Donald attracts ONLY THE BEST illiterates.

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[–] Matildawormwood (1545) 4 years ago

No! Canada should ban Trump and have Trump pay for the wall, since he's a billionaire and all. Leave the rest of us out of it.

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[–] [email protected] (5551) 4 years ago

Illegal American TOURISTS? Tourists, as in people who spend money when visiting another country and then go HOME?
Tourists? As in people who don't stay in another country and try to access their welfare system and health benefits? You mean those kinds of people? LOLOL

Canada is a sovereign nation with the right to control its borders. If people are in their country illegally, they have every right to kick them out. I wish our government would do the same.

Good thing all those pouting Hollyweird celebrities didn't flood the Canadian border like they promised to do if Trump was elected. Just WHERE will they threaten to go the next time they don't get their way??

You've really crossed a "border" yourself...into the Twilight Zone. Running out of things to b#tch about??

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[–] Freddy (1320) 4 years ago

pj you do know that is how we got the virus it did not swim across the waters haha

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[–] [email protected] (5551) 4 years ago

Yes, I suppose we got the virus the same way. Folks from China or people who were in China brought it in.

But when Trump decided to ban visitors from China, the lefties in this country went into full on nitwit mode and accused him of racism!

I don't want any virus to spread. Who would? So, everybody stay home!

Apparently other countries have the right to control their borders. But in the USA if Trump even suggests it he is a racist bigot.

No one can truly satisfy the lunatic left in this country!

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

Wrong, again!

Europe spread Trump's virus to NYC and the surrounding areas.

BTW, they don't want you there anymore than the Canadians do.

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[–] [email protected] (5551) 4 years ago

Right back at ya kiddo! Way back in February several American carriers, United, Delta and American suspended flights from China. And the left went into their usual wet-their -pants routine. Trump is a racist!

So the Chinese boarded flights to Europe and then came here. I know, a crazy conspiracy theory. But you folks should appreciate that!

Your second sentence was a study in illogic. Let me get this straight- Europeans CAME to the US. It was someplace they had NOT been previously. Yet they spread "Trump's virus" here? LOLOL and OMG.

They picked up "Trump's Virus" in Europe and came here with it? "Trump's Virus" was unleashed in Europe for Europeans to bring HERE?

Nothing to say about "illegal" tourists not being the same as illegals who come to stay and access a country's welfare system?

Nice to know that the Europeans and Canadians know me personally! "..they don't want you there..." Good because I wasn't planning any travel this year anyway.

But I'm sure they'd welcome YOU, shining symbol of the worst that the USA has to offer. Maybe you and Cher or Whoopie Goldberg could travel together. Both vowed to leave the country if Trump was elected. I suggest y'all get your passports in order for November!

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

You're rambling.

There are different strains of Covid-19 because it mutated. Most New Yorkers don't have the strain found in China. They have the mutated strain found in Europe.

"About two-thirds of the samples appear to have European origins, said Adriana Heguy, director of the Genome Technology Center at the medical center. The virus appears to have been imported to New York from the U.K. and several European countries, including France, Austria and the Netherlands, she said."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/most-nyc-covid-19-cases-came-from-europe-genome-researchers-say

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

There you go again presenting factual information to her. Like she knows how to process what you told her?

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Canada should build a wall and have trump pay for it. A big beautiful wall.

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[–] blue1981 (6947) 4 years ago

Yeah so other countries can control their borders but the forces of evil in America want no border control here. That's part of the problem that got us in this mess with COVID.

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

The media was calling for border control in February. Trump said it was a hoax. He said he fixed it by blocking China flights in January. Meanwhile the European strain of coronavirus was building into a serious threat.

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[–] dteam6 (5073) 4 years ago

LOL! And, as predicted, all the Trump knuckle draggers came in, bellowing their hypocritical disapproval of this. As per usual, they are employing their usual MAGA logic (aka: entitled, bigoted "Murican" attitude where they think that only Trump is allowed to sanction other countries while they can't do the same to him).

Trump cultists are the loudest and biggest hypocrites around.

Shows what kind of racist swine they are that they thinks it's a-ok to do it to Mexicans despite them thinking it's wrong for Canada to do it to Americans.

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[–] [email protected] (5551) 4 years ago

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but you have used up all your benefits.

"Trump knuckle draggers"? Golly gee, who would think someone as dull minded as you could come up with such a "clever" insult? LOL

i guess you totally skipped my post where I said that Canadians have a right to kick people out of their country if they enter illegally. Actually I think you ignored what I said so you can carry on with your brainless neurotic, nonsense narrative.

Mexicans? Funny that you zero in on them. How about the citizens of ALL nations south of the border who cross our border because they feel entitled to live here?

If they came as tourists, spent their money and went home, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I don't think most "Muricans" would.

You're just a virtue signaling asshat.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

You're an interloper, too. No Native-American gave your ancestors permission to come and steal their land. Most Mexicans are indigenous to North America.

One of my favorite youtube videos is a Native-American man telling a bunch of bigots at an anti-immigrant rally that THEY are the invaders. Watch them scurry like the cockroaches they are!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNYfd34Kn0

BTW, "Trump knuckle draggers" is funny.

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[–] [email protected] (5551) 4 years ago

No, I was born and raised here. So were my parents and grandparents.
Nobody in my family "stole land", you ignoramus. Many of them however, worked in coal mines and other dangerous jobs that no one else wanted.

On my father's side of the family, our ancestors were here before the Civil War. So unless your family was native to this continent, I suggest you keep your stupid judgements to yourself! Or else go back to where your ancestors came from.

In the history of civilization, people have moved from place to place. Do you have the same desire to crap on Australians because they came from England?

Yeah, Trump knuckle draggers would be funny to you! Small things amuse small minds.

And STILL, you deflect and refuse to answer my post directly. I should not be surprised. You have NO intelligent responses in your little bag of tricks, just regurgitated talking points.

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

It's a valid point though.

Brown people migrated here over 15,000 years ago before the Alaskan-Siberian landbridge melted.
Those brown people populated both of the American continents.
Thousands of years later, white settlers crossed the ocean and took land from some of those brown people.
The white settlers created a democratic republic that welcomed all throughout most of its history.
Now there's an extensive process pushed by one party, and that process targets brown people because brown people tend to vote for the opposing party.

The right-wing nationalist mentality goes against what is just, and is a plague on the human race.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

Big deal! You're the descendant of interlopers and thieves. Your sleazy ancestors probably fought on the wrong side of the Civil War, too.

There's a big difference between moving some place and stealing land while committing genocide and enslaving people. Then, having the audacity to complain about "Mexicans" who have indigenous ancestry and conveniently forgetting that California, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and other states were Mexico.

Au contraire, many people wanted to work in the coal mines.

I assume dream6 hit a nerve with you because your knuckles actually do drag which will explain your overreaction to the description.

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[–] [email protected] (5551) 4 years ago

Sometimes you almost sound intelligent Keelai, but then you show your true colors!

"Sleazy ancestors"? Drop dead for that ignorant comment!

"Stealing land"? My ancestors killed NO ONE, you obnoxious arrogant fool!
They came here from Central Europe where they had been persecuted by Russia. They asked for nothing but a chance to work and become Americans.

Most families had a coal miner as a breadwinner yet they pooled their money and built, literally BUILT, their churches and schools. My great grandfather was a carpenter who helped build the convent which housed the nuns which were sent for from Poland.
The immigrants here wanted their children to have a religious education. The government nor any Indians gave them one thin dime!

"Wanted to work in the coal mines"? Now I KNOW you are a mental case or just an arrogant a-hole! I had relatives who suffered injuries from cave ins and other mine disasters.

It is SO hilarious how you ramble on in your ignorant, virtue signaling way about the "poor Mexicans". All the states you mentioned "belonged" to Mexico? Where the f#ck did any "Mexicans" come from? Spain! Do you recall any of your history? At all?

Spanish Conquisdadores descended on them and pillaged that land. Sure, Mexicans have indigenous ancestry! That's because the Spanish invaders raped their women.

If I'm a descendant of interlopers and thieves then you better be an Apache or a Navajo! Otherwise shut your ignorant, arrogant mouth! Go back to where YOUR folks came from. What an arrogant piece of work you are.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNYfd34Kn0

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Love that video!

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

Here's what I think should happen. Everyone who supports either Biden or Trump in the 2020 election should be put on separate lists for the rest of their lives.

Every foreign country gets to decide whether an American is allowed in based on which list they are on.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

So because some American tourists visited Banff National Park during the pandemic, you make the suggestion that Canada should build a wall comparable to the Mexican American border? You do know that drug smuggling and human trafficking occurs actively on the Mexican American border not to mention illegal immigration, right? Do you normally overreact even further from a pointless story published by left leaning NYT?

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

Don't kill the messenger. I'm writing about CANADIAN policy. I just saved you $750,000 and 3 years in prison. You're welcome!

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

You're the one that suggested Canada should build a wall. That makes you guilty of injecting your partisanship. You're not an innocent messenger. It's all too clear you're a partisan hack.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

You're a hypocrite!

If a wall is good enough for Americans, then it's good enough for Canadians.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

I don't care if they build a wall or not. You're the one that suggested it on the basis that some American tourists broke protocol and went to Banff National Park. I guess in your book, that infraction is worth building a wall. Kind of stupid in my opinion, but whatever makes you happy.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

Obviously, you do care or you wouldn't have responded three times.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

I care about Canada building a wall because I responded to your post three times??? What kind of logic is that? Although I already know, you can't explain it because your logic makes zero sense, but why don't you try to enlighten me with your logic?

As I'm sure you're aware, there are a lot of idiot posters here on these boards. Melania's Mirror and dteam are two that come to mind right off the bat. Not only are there posts rife with idiocy, they post it SHAMELESSLY. Now let's see if you are part of that growing demographic. Okay go.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

4x

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

r/whoosh

This thread isn't suggesting a Canadian wall should actually be built. It's digging at the stupidity of Trump's wall, but also points out a problem for Canadians.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

The article states nothing about the wall. Keelai injected the suggestion of a border wall. Why? Because some American tourists are violating the lockdown rule by visiting Banff National Park. To associate the wall at the Mexican border to this infraction is ridiculous, is it not?

There's your litmus test. Let's see if you fit the demographic.

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

I said the thread, as in the title the OP went with, not the article.

The fact the article doesn't talk about a wall proves my entire point. The OP was having a dig at the stupidity of Trump's wall.

Come on, guy. This stuff shouldn't require explaining.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

Okay then. Explain the correlation of the article to the wall for Mexico. Keelai can’t explain his logic, so since you know, go ahead and do it for him. I’m still assessing your litmus test.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

6x

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

I told you you’d fail to explain it.

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[–] Keelai (32646) 4 years ago

7x

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

The correlation is that the Mexico wall is equally silly. If a wall is an appropriate response to Mexican "culture" of bringing in excessive drugs and crime, then a wall is an appropriate response to American "culture" of not wearing masks and bringing in Covid-19.

Like... hello?

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

That’s the correlation??? You do know it’s a GLOBAL pandemic, right?

How is it American culture that only Americans don’t wear masks??? By your logic, you’re assuming all Canadians wear masks. Not only is that quite an assumption, you should know that it can’t be true base on the sheer percentage. Your litmus test is over.

Obvious fail.

You tried your best to fix a catastrophic leak left by Keelai. Your failure was not realizing it and tried to apply reverse logic with what you had to work with. The right thing to do was admit Keelai’s logic was faulty, but you allowed your own partisan biases to obscure rational logic an replace it with shameless idiocy.

Should I be surprised or is that typical?

Now let’s see if you use this as a learning moment or will I get some snarky dismissive retort? Which one do you think I’m expecting?

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

"How is it American culture that only Americans don’t wear masks???"

It isn't. That is the Trumpian misconception of culture which is why I put culture in quotes. Just like it isn't Mexican culture to bring in drugs and crime into the US either. Yet that was the Trumpian take on what Mexican culture was. Trumpers wanted to build a wall over it. The same logic would be required for Canadians to spend billions building a wall to prevent infection from America's exceptionally high COVID-19 numbers.

Your misinterpretation is not my failure.

Now let's see what word you focus on in this reply for a diversion away from the fact that Canadians would require the same Trumpian logic to build a wall that Trump used in 2016 for Mexico.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

Such backpedaling. Too bad you didn’t have any ammo to fire, huh?

Who said it’s Mexican culture to bring in drugs???

Just because it’s a fact that drugs are trafficked over the Mexican border and human trafficking is occurring as well doesn’t mean it’s Mexican culture. Nobody said that nor even implied that, yet you jumped to that idiotic conclusion. Shameless idiocy currently on display.

Your response is beyond stupid making assumptions and implications from thin air just to justify you inane rant. If this were a chess match, you should have resign 3 moves ago. Better yet, you should have never sat down in Keelai’s seat. That would’ve been the smart move. But then again, that’s not you, right?

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

Backpedaling? Lol, you're funny. I put "culture" in quotes to signify it wasn't real culture, but someone's interpretation of culture. I would only need to backpedal if I failed to use quotes. And there was no other reason for me to use quotes in that situation. Again, your ignorance is not my problem.

"Who said it’s Mexican culture to bring in drugs???"

The Trumpian narrative was crime, with drugs being part of it. It was actually a lot more egregious than drugs with most of Mexican culture being a "peasant culture" full of child rape.

"Nobody said that nor even implied that, yet you jumped to that idiotic conclusion."

Nobody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm0OkuT8YG8&t=1755

Not even the mouthpiece for Trump's border wall initiative?

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

Such backpedaling. If it gets you where you need to go, then so be it.

Who said Mexican culture is crime? Nobody implied that either and yet, here you are injecting it. Is there crime happening at the Mexican border? Yes. You can at least agree with that, right?

In that clip, she said that crime is more common in their culture. She didn't say that crime was part of their culture. Did you stay up all night searching for that clip? You don't see the difference, do you? You're ego won't allow it, will it? You've already expended too many research hours into it to let it go, right?

You were checkmated long ago. Now let's see which straw you grasp for this time. Your tenacity is commendable, but when you realize it's for a futile effort, then you should realize you were foolish.

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

Again, no backpedaling required.

"In that clip, she said that crime is more common in their culture. She didn't say that crime was part of their culture."

Lol, sure bud. You sure love your semantics. She said they were peasant cultures that engaged in crime and child rape, and that we shouldn't be bringing in those cultures because of it.

"You were checkmated long ago."

If Trump can put up a wall to stop the increase of child rape, or if Trump can put up a wall to stop the influx of drugs, or if Trump an put up a wall to stop the increase of murder, or if Trump can put up a wall to limit the number of Hispanics who are on the watch list in California then...

Canada could put up a wall to decrease the spread of Covid-19. Right?

You can't "checkmate" anyone with a diversionary semantics argument about culture. All I have to do is circle back to the original point.

Btw, no, I didn't have to research that clip. I've known that Coulter v Uygur exchange for years and it's the very thing that was in my mind when I wrote "culture" a few responses above. But I can tell it pissed you off that I had an example when you were so sure none existed.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

You're entire argument now is all backpedaling. Nevertheless, your futility is quite amusing.

You say I love semantics yet you NEED it in order to save face for your argument to even work. For the record, I don't agree with Ann Coulter in this aspect.

So do you think crime is part of Mexican culture, yes or no? Is there an increased amount of felony crimes in Mexico in relation to the US? Yes or no? Those are both rhetorical questions by the way. So do you see how a wall can help in deterring that crime from coming over the US border, yes or no?

Now I couldn't care less if Canada wanted to erect a wall on their borders regardless. What is IDIOTIC is that Keelai compared the infraction as the same as the Mexican border. What's even more IDIOTIC is that you believed him. How can you not see how stupid it would be to build a wall to keep out a virus.

You were checkmated once you sat down for Keelai. You just haven't accepted it yet.

I'm glad you keep useless knowledge with you at all times. Whatever makes you happy. Your argument is horrible, but I can't fault you entirely as it was Keelai's fault and stupid premise to begin with. Why you sat down in the first place is where you failed.

Now lets hear some more backpedaling.

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

"You're entire argument now is all backpedaling."

Your entire argument is attempting a gotcha on the definition of culture.

"Now I couldn't care less if Canada wanted to erect a wall on their borders regardless."

Such backpedaling.

"Keelai compared the infraction as the same as the Mexican border."

I am making the same argument. You are arguing what culture is. Lol.

You haven't explained why the original argument is wrong. All you offered was a distraction. There's only one other poster on here that argued exactly like you are now. Sandman27.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

Culture is irrelevant to argument. The only reason why we're discussing it is because of your constant backpedaling of your changes of its definition.

You're making the same argument? What is your argument? I don't even know what it is. I asked you about the correlation of the article to the Mexican border. I still haven't gotten that yet.

The original argument from Keelai? Seriously???

Do you think American tourists sneaking over the border to go to Banff National Park in violation of the lockdown is comparable as the issues at the US/Mexican border? You think it warrants a pithy suggestion of building a wall? Honestly, you don't think that's stupid?

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

The reason why you were discussing the definition of culture is because you wanted a diversion.

Trump wanting a wall to stop criminal Mexicans from entering illegally is definitely comparable to Canada wanting a wall to stop contagious Americans from entering illegally.

Simply asking me what I think is not refuting anything. Both walls are comparable because they are both stupid. However Trumpers think one of those walls is a valid idea. That's the criticism being made in this thread.

You have no argument against it. Just a bunch of silly non sequiturs.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

A diversion? I diverted the conversation to culture, when you are the one that brought it up? And yet you still refuse to acknowledge your backpedaling? This is you circular arguing. Pointless not to mention stupid and obvious.

I'm glad to hear that you acknowledged that Keelai's comparison is stupid. Thank you. Perhaps you can relay that info to him directly.

Now for you to think building a deterrent wall to stem the flow of illegal drugs and felonious criminals and human trafficking is stupid strikes me as questionable. Why is it stupid?

Trump isn't the first to suggest a wall. You know that, right? Dems suggested it too. So tell me why is it stupid when Trump suggests it, but not the Dems?

I have no argument? My argument was the ridiculous suggestion that Keelai made that a border wall was the same based off of his stupid article. You just proved me right by stating his suggestion was stupid. Open you eyes and ears. Don't you even know what you are saying?

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[–] ultravioletx (10222) 4 years ago

You misinterpreted "culture" as literal culture. No big deal. I explained "culture" as Trumpian perception of culture. But you had to defend your misinterpretation by saying nobody perceived culture that way. I linked Coulter perceiving culture that way. Then you got into a semantics argument.

The walls are stupid. The comparison is accurate. It would take an idiot to conflate the two. Or are you just dishonest?

A wall will never work. 99% of illegal border crossers are smuggled in through ports of entry. The same would go for a Canada wall. Or people will just climb over it.

Hillary supported a fence over 15 years ago, but never pushed hard for it. She got criticized hard for it though by progressives in 2016, but she had already pivoted long before. As usual, repubs suffer from brain lag.

Yes, you have no argument. All you're doing is acting as a contrarian.

It's like if someone said the Mona Lisa and Whistler's Mother were similar because they were paintings of women. And you said "no, you're wrong. One is older and one is younger." You wouldn't be arguing anything substantive. It doesn't change the fact that both are paint on a canvas in the form of female humans. It would just be an empty attempt by you to try to prove you know better.

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[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

Like I said already. You brought up culture, not me. You said it was a diversion and you brought it up. You're just constantly backpedaling over the exact same issue.

As I said, I'm glad that you acknowledge the fact that Keelai's suggestion is stupid. Maybe you should tell him so he won't make the same mistake twice.

How is the comparison accurate BASED OFF of the article that Keelai presented? Remember, you already acknowledged it as stupid.

Crossings are not 99% through ports of entry. The majority? Maybe, but not 99%. You got proof of that?

Let me ask you something. How effective was the Berlin wall? What was the defection rate prior to the wall being erected and what was it after?

Hillary supported a "fence"? Clearly you want to play semantics. Their both border barriers. And do you think she was the lone dem that felt this way? Now let me ask you a question. WHY did she want a "fence" being erected in the first place? She "pivoted" in 2016? It took her that long to "pivot" her position??? Doesn't a "pivot" in 2016 seem awfully convenient??? Do you go out of your way to ignore the obvious, or do you not know? Either way, it doesn't look good for you.

I can't help your pig-headed stubbornness and ignorance. I told you what my argument was. I've proved it to you as you stated Keelai's suggestion was stupid. What else is there to say? Why don't you talk to little Christopher? He seems just like you.

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