Glad they made Wanda


a villain! Enough apologizing for her. They embraced her anger and evil and Olsen ran with it. Great choice.

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Wanda did nothing wrong

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She did some wrong.

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She did a lot wrong.

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Didn't we (among others) have this same fight on the "WandaVision" board?

You and a few others kept complaining that Wanda wasn't properly punished or held accountable for what she did.

I maintained that we just haven't seen Wanda pay for her crimes ... YET. But I was and still am in the camp that what she did was majorly messed-up and likely irredeemable.

She mind-controlled an entire town, AND THEY WERE AWARE OF IT THE WHOLE TIME. It was the worst kind of torture, according to a lot of experts (i.e., subverting your free will can be more torturous than physical pain).

There's no coming back from that.

Just like Zemo, much as I love him as a character in "Falcon & Winter Soldier," cannot and should not be forgiven for killing hundreds of innocents just to frame Bucky.

So not only am I relieved that she was a full-on villain here, but that they killed her as well. Had she survived, I'd have to live with the worry that the MCU will somehow try to redeem her in the future. Without the consent of the citizens of Westview, I might add.


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This is the first time since AOU they flat out made her a full blown villain though. She was attempting to go on a different more better path in Civil War, Infinity War, and End Game. Hell, Wanda Vision portrayed her as someone who was "just hurting". But this movie told us her SHE IS WRONG. It's the first admission what she did is not ok and she's not coming back from it. It was great. Finally, they went with it!

Part of the reason I am so adamantly on Iron Man's side in Civil War is Cap's unabashed defense of Wanda. This "She's just a kid" bullshit. Her actions in Civil War might have been an accident, but combined with what she did to the Hulk in AOU, Westview, and now all the people she's killed - there's no coming back from that and it's great.

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Maybe she messed up, but she came to her senses and died a hero's death. I hope she somehow survived and can return as an Avenger.

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Maybe?

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Maybe?


Aw RELAX ARREDDY, you WON the debate okay?

Turns out despite all your complaining (and some of my own) about Wanda's crimes being glossed over and forgiven, Feige almost certainly planned, from her first appearance, to have her go "full dark."

He was just teasing us with the possibility that they might try to redeem her somehow.

Reminds me of Fuqua's commentary for "Training Day," where he explains that, because Denzel Washington is so likable, audience members kept expecting a big "fake-out" where his truly evil character turns out to be a good guy in disguise somehow.

Spoiler: He didn't. Neither did Wanda.

Cooooool!

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As recently as Wanda Vision she was being shown in a sympathetic light. Monica Rambeau was running around, "wE hAvE to HeLp WaNdA!" and the government dude - the one who made White Vision - was portrayed as THE BAD GUY for trying to stop her, and Rambeau, the Asian guy, and Kat Dennings all sided with WANDA over him.

And to be totally honest, as much as I did enjoy this movie, they still pulled the whole Wanda "waking up" and feeling bad about what she did at the end. I liked the movie, but that was lame. Let a villain be a villain.

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She did everything wrong.

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what happens in 838, stays in 838

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I think deep down she was always a villain. She even started as one in the MCU.

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Oh they actually went for it? That's surprising. I thought for sure it was gonna be some throwaway villain like Nightmare or Chthon.

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This is the MCU we're talking about. They don't take the easy route.

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Eternals seemed phoned in.

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Wow... of all the films to say that about... Eternals is like the Criterion Collection entry in the MCU, and the farthest from "phoned in" of the entire bunch, in my opinion.

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Yeah, plenty of legitimate criticism can be leveled at "Eternals," some of which I even agree with, but "phoned in" is NOT one of them.

it was a risk, and I'm personally glad that Feige felt the MCU could take that sort of risk.

In contrast, "Black Widow" (which I also enjoyed) was the OPPOSITE of risky. If anything, THAT film "phoned it in" (though I'd disagree).

This film felt like a mix of risky and surefire. The Illuminati, for example, were awesome but the opposite of risky. Having Wanda finally embrace her villainy, which had been heavily implied from her very first appearance, was slightly risky. Letting Raimi go full-bore with his weirdness, albeit only at certain places in the narrative, was moderately risky.

I like it. It gives me hope that the MCU can continue to grow without becoming sad and stale like the Connery and Moore Bond films did.

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It was pretty chilling to see her blow away that dying mage as he was trying to crawl for safety.
And Olsen definitely showed her acting chops to play this angry, tortured villain. I'm not sure I like this movie very much, but Wanda was perfect.

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Yeah, she's come a long way. Every since Infinity War, she's grown and just gotten better and better; with it culminating in this movie.

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She shud team up wid Jean Grey n Cap Marvel 2 rule da werld

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