Im not taking anything from Wyatt Russell(I like Russell he was Minor League Hockey Goalie before Injuries derailed his Career) dude is not Cap he is in more line with Blonsky from The Incredible Hulk and seems to be spiralling down into madness and is power-hungry SAM WILSON IS CAP ACCEPT IT and Karli cause is just she is going about the wrong way im sure Sam can bring her back
sharenobody is cheering for him.
but i see that you are cheering for terrorists and criminals ;)
Frankly i would rather have Sam keep the title of Falcon and just make him as important as Steve Rogers. Its like every black character in comics gets hand me down from white characters. Besides the show is boring. There only one Captain America and his name is Steve Rogers.
shareNot his biggest fan over here. Steve Roger's Cap is my favorite character in the MCU.
But I'd honestly cheer for him rather than Karli. She's a straight up terrorist. Killing innocent people & trying to justify it to herself & to her followers
But the writers want people to feel sympathetic towards the Flag Smashers than Walker.
I think both Walker and Karli have moments of sympathy in the show but their actions are never justified.
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Walker definitely redeemed himself in the end.
I was actually surprised by how quickly he got turned around back into a "good guy," but then he was never a true villain; he was a good soldier stricken with PTSD and the loss of his friend.
I lovedthe little head-snap he did before letting Karli get away so he could save the hostages; he's still struggling but he wants to do the right thing.
And that last bit with Bucky was great - U.S. Agent will be the historic-quote guy with Bucky throwing shade. Neat little shortcut to show them starting to get along.
Yeah, people who are whining that Walker is treated like a villain too much should be eating crow now. This last episode had Sam and Bucky happily accepting Walker in their pursuit of Karli, who was a villain to the end.
share"Karli, who was a villain to the end."
That would be the Karli Sam refused to fight after she admitted she wouldn't go peacefully, right? The Karli Sam - as if looking like an angel - respectfully and carefully carried her body down to safety? Or the Karli whose cause he ranted in favor of - "You can move/expand the borders" - at the end, right? Evil government at it again. Needs to be slapped back down. Let's not show the terrorist in a bad light, but support her cause. Crow, my ass. You people can't admit how agenda-driven and moralistic this show is; even if it ignores all common sense in the process.
Falcon fought her and even teamed up with Walker to do so. So yes, she was still presented as a villain at the end.
share"You have to stop calling them terrorists,"
"I mean, this girl died trying to stop you and no one has stopped for one second to ask, 'Why?' You've gotta do better, Senator. You've got to step up."
Yeah, sure. A villain.
So you’re ignoring the part where they chased her down and started punching her? I guess you are also ignoring how Sam and Bucky are cool with Walker at the end and team up with him? Okay.
share"You have to stop calling them terrorists,"
"I mean, this girl died trying to stop you and no one has stopped for one second to ask, 'Why?' You've gotta do better, Senator. You've got to step up."
And now you are ignoring the posts that debunk your claims. It’s a bold strategy.
shareYou never ignore anything that goes against your opinions at all... Nope. Never.
Sam apologized for Karli multiple times. I don't give a flying fuck if he "fought her". He apologized for her constantly and it was the last thing he did in regards to her and her actions; all while lecturing the big bad government. Karli is the villain in this show, not the GRC. The GRC didn't do shit other than attempt to deal with the fallout of what Thanos did. The government in this show is in on way, shape, or form wrong. Hatred against them is not earned, because there's no validity to it. Karli on the other hand is a murderer, but Sam the angel carried her lifeless body down and laid it to rest before giving his pious speech to the big bad government men. What a dumb fucking show.
Obviously, this and Wandavision really upsets you. My advice is to stop watching MCU shows and movies.
shareI know you know the purpose of this site: to discuss/review movies and TV shows. So I can only assume you're pulling the "don't criticize" card because you're one of those fanboys and can't stand to see something you like critiqued.
shareNot so. I criticized this very show for the Power Broker twist which I did not think worked out as well as it should have. I posted what I said because you seem to be really really angry.
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Sam wanted to redeem Karli because Sam doesn't know what WE know.
The show lets us, the audience, know that Karli has become a ruthless killer; her own underlings have come to doubt her. KARLI IS A VILLAIN THROUGH AND THROUGH. Again, the SHOW thinks this, NOT Sam. I don't see why we are still arguing about this.
Sam's mercy is misplaced, but it's essential to his character as the new Captain America. The show doesn't want us to think he's right about Karli. It just wants us to see that Sam, like Steve before him, wants to bring out the best in people.
For example, some folks on here have argued it's deus ex machina to have a GRC member be a helicopter pilot (and it was admittedly improbable), but it's a plot point that shows how Sam, as Captain America, isn't a sole hero on his own, but rather a leader who brings out the best in others.
Sam wanted to save Karli. She was past saving, but in the process (I think) Sam DID help Walker redeem himself.
Sam knows she's a murderer. Stop it.
shareSam is your Captain America , Walker is a Bully typical
share"But the writers want people to feel sympathetic towards the Flag Smashers than Walker. "
This show's morality and logic is so fucking out of whack.
THANK YOU! I get that John Walker is a dick. I don't love him either. But Karli & her gang literally kill people & try to justify it every time.
And they try to make her actions seems right in the eyes of the audience. Even seem still "believes in her". Wtf?
This show is so stupid. It wants you to hate Walker - even before he did anything - more than Morgantheau, even though what Morgantheau has done is significantly worse. It wants you to hate the government/GRC more than Morgantheau even though the government in this instance didn't do a fucking thing to the public. They're just trying to deal with the fallout with this issues THANOS - not the government - caused. The hate of Walker/GRC isn't earned. There's no motivation to hate them, especially more than The Flag Smashers.
The writing for this show was SO frustrating & all over the place. I like it but I didn't love it. The show was inconsistent af.
Loki is my most anticipated show. Hoping it's better than this.
This show is so stupid. It wants you to hate Walker - even before he did anything - more than Morgantheau, even though what Morgantheau has done is significantly worse.
"Karli's completely hate-worthy"
I don't think Sam "Stop calling them terrorists" Wilson got that message.
This show is trash. Arguably the worst thing to come out of the MCU.
Why is Walker a dick exactly???
All he tried to do was to be available and help.
The dicks were Bucky and, a bit less, Sam.
He's not exactly likeable. Not a bad person, but not the most endearing personality.
I flat out don't like Bucky. Bucky is an asshole. He does whatever he wants. No regard for the law whasoever. Breaking Zemo out of prison was an international crime. Bucky should be under "house arrest" if he wants a normal life. He works for whoever: The Avengers, FBI. If he wants his freedom, he earns it.
Sam is a good man. I don't doubt that. But his politics and beliefs are nauseating."Stop calling them terrorists." Fuck out of my face with that shit.
there is difference between not being likable (and he is not just because the show pushes that idea) and being a dick, don't you think?
He actually does nothing wrong, with the exception of killing a terroristin public ...
I understand what you're saying and it's true he didn't do anything wrong before killing the Flag Smasher (and was hated long before it; especially by Bucky).
shareThe Flag Smashers kill people, making them the definition of a terrorist. Your reaction? "Oh, she's in the right."
Walker kills a terrorist. A. TERRORIST. Your reaction? "Oh, no. No, no, no, he must not be cheered for." And I have no problem admitting he killed a guy who was not fighting back. It's not something to be ignored, but rather think of who he did it to. Not an ideal situation, but you can't ignore who this person was. I wouldn't "want" my Captain America to kill a defenseless person, but that defenseless person was also a TERRORIST. What Walker did was in no way, shape, or form worse than what Morgantheau does.
Walker OBVIOUSLY redeemed himself at the end.
The show spelled it out -- he had a choice to make, chase Karli or save the van. We see him struggle for just a second, then he rushes over to the van. (where Karli attacks him anyway because she's a VILLAIN)
In the process, note that Walker discards his homemade shield with its medals of honor, to the same music cue Jackman used when Steve dropped his shield in "Civil War." We're being shown that Walker, like Steve Rogers, understands that principles matter more than symbols.
Finally, he even earns the right to Bucky's casual sarcasm, something he only does with people he was a rapport with.
"Lincoln? Really?"
"Great man, great quote"
"Not when you say it."
Bucky's tone was casual, the way he is with Steve, Sam and Dr. Raynor, NOT the tone he used when he said, "Battlestar?!?" (though it was still hilarious).
So there are now two or three separate threads on this board where kuatorises and I are somehow arguing despite stating the same, exact things.
Redeemed from what exactly? Killing in the heat of the moment a terrorist that just killed his friend??? (or helped killing his friend).
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