If she turns out to be Agatha Harkness from the Comics (and it sure looks that way) She will make a formidable foe for Wanda and later Dr. Strange (either on this show or after that in the movies)
I takes a lot of power to control Wanda and make her do all this stuff.
How did you know this ahead of time.?
Agatha ties directly to the FF but so do half the things in the MCU
The name Agness was kind of similar to Agatha and she was too intrusive and too involved since the start. I dont Know if they will go the FF way but like you said she has big ties to them. I still think this is how the MCU will introduce Mutants (see Monica's new powers)
It isn't really a case of knowing ahead of time. Around the same time that Xcalat posted, I also surmised Agnes was in fact Agatha Harkness, and posted some theories. It seemed clear that Agnes was in on something, and after the 5th episode I started to think that she was some sort of witch. Agatha Harkness became the most likely suspect.
The real question now is whether or not someone else is behind all of this. Who or what is the Scarlet Witch in the MCU? I've heard theories that Loki will show up in the finale, and others that Al Pacino as Mephisto will be revealed to be responsible.
Another central question-- just who or what is the Vision inside the Hex? We just saw the MCU Vision wake up outside of the Hex, and have learned that Wanda apparently created the new one from whole cloth. Or, did she? My theory after Episode 5 was that she may have plucked him from the Multiverse, or somehow pulled an Infinity Stone from elsewhere to power her creation. We should know in a week, for that is when the 9th and final episode will air.
I'll be surprised if you didn't know it after 2k messages but there are tags for it :)
https://moviechat.org/formatting
I had no idea. Thank you for showing me that link!
sharenot thinking anything about you but wow. so you never wondered how other ppl had those black, hover-able lines?
I don't frequent MC often, I dont talk much about my media, so I have no idea how widespread the spoiler tag useage is but with 2k messages you must've seen it.
either way :)
I don't read many spoiler posts, and if I did I doubt I ever gave it any thought.
shareIs she the villain? She's just trying to figure out how Wanda is doing all this from what I can tell.
Who is the person who put the map in Wanda's car? It was signed "V" for Vision but he was dead by then. Agatha didn't do it (I don't think). Am I alone thinking someone else is behind this?
The map was to the house.
Apparently, Vision bought it or at least identified it as a place he and Wanda could live together in peace.
He would've had to do it before "Infinity War," but there were a few years there for it to happen.
Possibly it was an actual house, but it got torn down during the five years that Wanda had been "gone."
Regardless, the fact that Vision had been planning a real future for them together was what drover Wanda over the edge and, evidently, unlocked her current slate of powers and abilities.
So she knew the map was in the car before she went to SWORD? I didn't get that but itmakes sense. When did Vision do this? When they were on the run? Seems shoehorned in then.
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Honestly didn't feel shoehorned to me so much as explanatory - why Westview? Oh, because Vision bought a house for them there.
In the weeks after "Endgame," I'd imagine Wanda found the note from Vision in the ruins of the Avengers compound.
So she knew the map was in the car because she put it there.
But actually going to Westview wasn't first on her list of priorities. First, she wanted to visit SWORD to see his body (apparently at Hayward's invitation)
As for when Vision did it, I'm pretty sure Vision wasn't on the run, at least not at first. "Infinity War" makes it seem like Vision would go off the grid from time to time to spend time with Wanda. So Vision would have the time and, with Stark's fortune at his disposal, plenty of resources to go house-hunting.
I'd note that Westview seemed like it was already pretty "quaint" even before Wanda did what she did. Which is why I think it makes sense that Vision chose it, knowing Wanda's affection for American sitcoms.
No way to know at this point whether you're right about someone else being behind this, but I hope you're wrong. I think it's much more interesting a story with Wanda as a bit of a villain. Maybe she's at the mercy of her new powers combined with her untreated grief, but I still think that makes a better and more nuanced story than having some evil villain controlling her.
That's why I liked this episode's revelations. Yes, it was "Agatha All Along," but Agatha has only been trying to understand Wanda's power, not control it (yet).
Agreed-- it tied together a lot of loose ends, and gave a believable explanation for why she did what she did, and where she chose to do it. It also provided a more-than-satisfactory answer to the "why old sitcoms" question, because, as you point out, Vision no doubt chose Westview for its resemblance to the classic small town of sitcoms past.
Agatha is still a big question mark. She doesn't seem to be downright evil, at least not yet. She's nuanced, at the very least, and almost serves as an anti-hero to the potential, if unintended, villainy of the Scarlet Witch.
Something I noticed, though it was brief, was that when Wanda gained the power from the Infinity Stone, there seemed to be a figure approaching her. It was a mere silhouette, but it resembled either the comic book Scarlet Witch, or some sort of horned demon. At the time I thought it was a bit of foreshadowing of the appearance of Mephisto, but the episode's closing line has me thinking it was something witchy.
Something else that was revealed but not (yet) expounded is that Wanda had powers before she encountered the Mind Stone. Previously, we'd been led to believe she gained her powers from the stone, but now it seems she had some innate (mutant?) ability that allowed her to survive contact with it, and powers that the stone didn't create, but rather augmented. Is this the first step towards merging the comic book Scarlet Witch, who is a mutant, with the cinematic version that was powered by the Mind Stone?
The mind stone silhouette looked like it had horns, but geek that I am I reviewed it, freeze frame, on a big screen. It's pretty clearly the "classic" Scarlet Witch headdress instead of horns
And yeah, seems Agatha Harkness believes Wanda always had the power of the Scarlet Witch, but the power would've faded had she not been exposed to the mind stone.
"Born with powers" definitely seems like a lead-in to mutants in the MCU
Gotta say ... I'm surprised at how heavy and consequential this show is turning out to be. Seemed like it'd just be a light comedy series, along the lines of their upcoming "What If?" series. Happy to be proven wrong.
I would say it's the opposite of shoehorned in-- it's the answer to the question of why she came to Westview in the first place, as well as why she had the final breakdown that led to her magical outburst.
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