box office?


150m opening

400m domestic
600m overseas
=1b total

reasons:
-a big reason TDK made 1b back in 08 (and even the critically mauled SuicideSq made 750m) was due to the joker - and heres his very own movie.
-the cast (Phoenix/DeNiro)
-the stellar reviews
-if Venom can almost get to 1b (with terrible reviews) what you think a 90s% RT Joker is going to do..
-being R rated isn't a hindrance to mega box office (Logan, Deadpools, IT)
-no much in the way of competition (AdAstra and Rambo are 2weeks before so will be spent by time of Joker. Gemini Man is following wkend but is anyone seriously excited about that)

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I wouldn't be surprised if you were right, tbh.

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think i read somewhere the 'professional' estimates are 60-80m opening which is way off imo

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Sure sounds like it. This is an EVENT film.

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100m ow
250m dom
300m os
=550m ww

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I hope you are right, but I have a feeling that the movie may be too dark to do really well. I hope I am wrong, but all those Marvel fans who like their superhero movies watered down and extremely accessible rule the world right now. Not sure if the masses will flock to this one. I hope I am wrong.

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bump

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your grand total is right, but the opening and the split were off -- and it received more mixed reviews than stellar.

I didn't think it would reach 1bil. And I didn't think its domestic gross would ever reach the level it has. The studio felt the same, expecting 240-260 on the domestic side.

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Let's hope this spurs comic book filmmakers to take more risks than they have been. Since the first wave of the new kind of comic book film (I'd put this at Iron Man/Captain America/Thor) they've stagnated and perfected a formula which is duller and duller by the movie.

But now, I think, we're seeing another wave coming along which is Logan, Deadpool, and now Joker. The easy thing for people to do is credit the R rating, but I don't buy it. I think it's the ingenuity. Logan told a family drama disguised as a comic book movie, but shot like a western. It's the best comic book film to date (my opinion) because it put the characters in the driver's seat (not the action). Deadpool delivered up a less moral character than most superheroes (not quite the true anti-hero some paint him as) and broke the fourth wall: we haven't seen that in superhero flicks before. Now we have Joker. Socio-political commentary, a deep character study, and a dive into the effects of mental illness and poverty. It took the best of Elseworlds (it's a one-off that ignores comic book accuracy) and Vertigo (exploration of psycho-sexual themes, hard R capabilities) and put it on screen.

So, I'm hoping that they get innovative and creative again. I hope that they don't just start xeroxing "dark" movies or insisting on R ratings for gratuitous reasons (edginess is cool and sells!) but rather I hope that they start pushing the boundaries of what can be accomplished with a comic book film.

Basically, they need to stop following Marvel films' successes and just tell some good stories.

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