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Tulsa Riot/Massacare


Starting with the Tulsa Riot/Massacare set a definite tone for this show set in a continuing universe post the Watchmen comic.

Not sure many viewers were even aware that the opening was based on a real person and a real event.

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Its Fake...there was not any planes guning down black folks in Tulsa.

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I guess that nobody knows. Blacks killed almost a dozen white people as a protest for a black guy being arrested for rape. It wouldn't have been surprising that some white ones wanted revenge.

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And Poland provoked Germany into starting the war.

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Oh.. what a smart responce.

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[–] kuku (2236) a day ago
I guess that nobody knows. Blacks killed almost a dozen white people as a protest for a black guy being arrested for rape. It wouldn't have been surprising that some white ones wanted revenge.
Your summary varies greatly from most of the published accounts.
Taking up arms
Having seen the armed blacks, some of the more than 1,000 whites who had been at the courthouse went home for their own guns. Others headed for the National Guard armory at Sixth Street and Norfolk Avenue, where they planned to arm themselves. The armory contained a supply of small arms and ammunition. Major James Bell of the 180th Infantry had already learned of the mounting situation downtown and the possibility of a break-in which he consequently took measures to prevent. He called the commanders of the three National Guard units in Tulsa, who ordered all the Guard members to put on their uniforms and report quickly to the armory. When a group of whites arrived and began pulling at the grating over a window, Bell went outside to confront the crowd of 300 to 400 men. Bell told them that the Guard members inside were armed and prepared to shoot anyone who tried to enter. After this show of force, the crowd withdrew from the armory.

At the courthouse, the crowd had swollen to nearly 2,000, many of them now armed. Several local leaders, including Reverend Charles W. Kerr, pastor of the First Presbyterian Church, tried to dissuade mob action. The chief of police, John A. Gustafson, later claimed that he tried to talk the crowd into going home.

Anxiety on Greenwood Avenue was rising. Many blacks worried about the safety of Rowland. Small groups of armed black men ventured toward the courthouse in automobiles, partly for reconnaissance, and to demonstrate they were prepared to take necessary action to protect Rowland.

Many white men interpreted these actions as a "Negro uprising" and became concerned. Eyewitnesses reported gunshots, presumably fired into the air, increasing in frequency during the evening.

Second offer
In Greenwood, rumors began to fly – in particular, a report that whites were storming the courthouse. Shortly after 10 PM, a second, larger group of approximately 75 armed black men decided to go to the courthouse. They offered their support to the sheriff, who declined their help. According to witnesses, a white man is alleged to have told one of the armed black men to surrender his pistol. The man refused, and a shot was fired. That first shot may have been accidental, or meant as a warning; it was a catalyst for an exchange of gunfire.

Riot
The gunshots triggered an almost immediate response by whites in the crowd, many of whom fired on the blacks, who then fired back at the whites. The first "battle" was said to last a few seconds or so, but took a toll, as ten whites and two blacks lay dead or dying in the street. The black contingent retreated toward Greenwood. A rolling gunfight ensued. The armed white mob pursued the armed black mob toward Greenwood, with many stopping to loot local stores for additional weapons and ammunition. Along the way, bystanders, many of whom were leaving a movie theater after a show, were caught off guard by the mobs and fled. Panic set in as the white mob began firing on any black people in the crowd. The white mob also shot and killed at least one white man in the confusion.

At around 11 PM, members of the Oklahoma National Guard unit began to assemble at the armory to organize a plan to subdue the rioters. Several groups were deployed downtown to set up guard at the courthouse, police station, and other public facilities. Members of the local chapter of the American Legion joined in on patrols of the streets. The forces appeared to have been deployed to protect the white districts adjacent to Greenwood. The National Guard rounded up numerous black people and took them to the Convention Hall on Brady Street for detention.

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There sure were planes gunning people down. Why don't you read an account of this before you comment? You look stupid.

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who is stupid? Your the one that belives Al Sharpton.

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Your? That says it all.

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[–] raymondoz2007 (103) 15 hours ago
Its Fake...there was not any planes guning down black folks in Tulsa.
You know this because you were there? Just for arguments sake let's say that the locals weren't being "Gunned" down by a plane do you believe that a plane was being used in some capacity against the section of Tulsa named Greenwood?
Attack by air
Numerous eyewitnesses described airplanes carrying white assailants, who fired rifles and dropped firebombs on buildings, homes, and fleeing families. The privately owned aircraft were dispatched from the nearby Curtiss-Southwest Field outside Tulsa.
Law enforcement officials later said that the planes were to provide reconnaissance and protect against a "Negro uprising". Law enforcement personnel were thought to be aboard at least some flights. Eyewitness accounts, such as testimony from the survivors during Commission hearings and a manuscript by eyewitness and attorney Buck Colbert Franklin discovered in 2015, said that on the morning of June 1, at least "a dozen or more" planes circled the neighborhood and dropped "burning turpentine balls" on an office building, a hotel, a filling station, and multiple other buildings. Men also fired rifles at young and old black residents, gunning them down in the street.

Richard S. Warner concluded in his submission to The Oklahoma Commission that contrary to later reports by claimed eyewitnesses of seeing explosions, there was no reliable evidence to support such attacks. Warner noted that while a number of newspapers targeted at black readers heavily reported the use of nitroglycerin, turpentine and rifles from the planes, many cited anonymous sources or second-hand accounts. Beryl Ford, one of the preeminent historians of the disaster, concluded from her large collection of photographs that there was no evidence of any building damaged by explosions. Danney Goble commended Warner on his efforts and supported his conclusions. State representative Don Ross (born in Tulsa in 1941), however, dissented from the evidence presented in the report concluding that bombs were in fact dropped from planes during the violence.

William Joseph Simmons, Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, was appointed head of The Knights of the Air on May 20, 1921. The organization was described as a fraternal organization for former air force officers. A spokesperson for the organization publicly denounced the Ku Klux Klan and denied any connection.
Of what value is it to you to describe a part of what happened in Tulsa/Greenwood as, "Fake"?

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it did not happen.

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What do you mean by "It did not happen"?

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he's an alt-right conspiracy theorist.

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I did ask him what value there was to describing the events in Tulsa as he did, but even for a Right Wing Conspiracy Theorist this made no sense. On top of that, this series to the best of my knowledge, so far would give him ammo and even some validation for some of their collective intellectual craziness.

Nothing wrong with engaging other points of view in critiquing a show like this series.

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It is very possible the answers that everyone seeks won't be the truth that they want to hear.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tulsa-moves-closer-to-learning-whether-there-are-mass-graves-from-1921-race-massacre/ar-BBY3mtr?ocid=spartanntp

Rumor will one day meet fact by using science and everyone will be forced to accept a truth.

My personal cynicism is that no "Mass Graves or Grave" will ever be found. Doesn't mean those victims don't exist though.

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While whites grovel before George Floyd’s body a-mold’ring in its golden coffin, the next Humiliation Ritual is underway. The ground dutifully paved by HBO’s newly woke Watchmen series, the spectacularly dubbed “Tulsa Race Massacre,” will now be added to the litany of feast days in post-white America [The devastation of the Tulsa Race Massacre, by DeNeen Brown, Washington Post, May 28, 2021]. This event occurred when armed blacks, fearful that a black suspect might be lynched, went to the courthouse, where they were met by whites. (Whites fought back in those days). The day after Memorial Day, President Joe Biden will go to Tulsa to rub America’s nose in the event [Biden to visit Tulsa for Black Wall Street massacre centennial, by Brittany Shepard, Washington Post, May 26, 2021

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